ethel
Well-Known Member
just about anyone working in london who is the second lowest grade in the civil service will be earning that!
Why the tories will lose the next election?
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just about anyone working in london who is the second lowest grade in the civil service will be earning that!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The last time the tories took over from Labour they made a big deal about the length of the dole queues (less than a million) and proceeded to make them even longer in the name of "job creation) in fact the destruction of the majority of our industrial base.
They "created", over 18 years, fewer jobs than they annihilated, and disguised the fact through the notorious manipulation of the unemployment figures.
You're living in a dream-world.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Correct, added to that in the DWP ALL Executive Officers, ie EO, both in and out of London will be affected as in all likelihood will all AO ie Adjudication Officers in the DWP on the max of their spine point. However all these staff members have already had a 3 year pay freeze or real terms pay cut. In effect Osborne is calling on them to accept another pay freeze on top of their recent 3 year freeze.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
There's no evidence.
There's plenty of rhetoric (which appears to be based on the pipe dream that a conservative government will draw overseas employers to open up shop here), to be sure, but of evidence there is NONE.
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
Could be a way of promoting private sector in public services, by giving incentive to wrok for privatised agencies and subsidaries competing with public sector, making privatisation look more dynamic. Either way wanting to screw both groups of employees.
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
Maybe weak Tory Government than a Strong New Labour Government, although nder Gordon Brown not particularly strong in popularity!
I think it was quite a factor amongst MC left leaning people in 2005. The difference then was that the Tories had Michael Howard as leader...Core tories may have liked him but floating voters prefered Blair...This time who will those floating voters prefer!!. And if the MC left leaning people stay away from the polls or vote for minor parties again then it will help Cameron into power.
ska invita
back on the other side
Those odds show a slip by the bookies - well worth a flutter on Labour with those odds.
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Supposedly the latest poll shows that the Torys has lost 4% during its conference - you could summarise from that that the more people see the more they dislike.
*As to the Cameron speech: Conservatives the party of the poor! Luckily the audience remembered to clap!
Enjoyed seeing token black tory, and token young female tory stuck behind him nicely in the frame for his speech.
And the LibDems had Charles Kennedy, who was considerably more popular as an individual than Howard. Clegg doesn't generate the same personal support.
big eejit
She looks like Alan Gilzean
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
And there was me thinking it wasn't all just imaginary bullshit.
Lots of good ideas there, but the answer to this one is "Yes". Not a lot of good against America or Russia, but if one of the smaller nuclear powers were to turn hostile, then this would be the ace up our sleeve. And it is the fear of that which is the key.
At least, that's the theory.
Would agree that the tactical error the tories have made have made last week the election a whole lot more interesting. They have in a week managed to greatly annoy everyone in the public sector, the gay and jewish community withtheir nazi pals in europe, and anyone over 50
If labour are able to cobble together a grouping of minority interests they could pull off a hung parlaiemnt at very least
This week has been very depressing. The thought of another term of Tory cunts (not that I'm a fan of NL either) just fills me with a very real dread. I fear for the future. What future? What hope is there for people like me near the bottom. How will I support myself in a hostile society that demonises people who have nothing and are dependent? How can I even aspire to a decent life when the millionaires running the country won't even follow through on their promises to help people and all I can hope for is some crummy job without even any prospects. Is that what human life is supposed to be? Is it enough just to take solace in the belt tightening rhetoric and the sub-christian notion of working for a reward later in life (though even that's gone) or when I die?
N_igma
Epistemic nuisance
So not that much different than today then?
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
I'm getting fed up of Radio 4 promoting the Tories and would like to hear more impartiality and shrewd commentary regarding the current social, economic, and political situation during the run-up to the election *sigh*
Maybe not. But I can't help thinking it will be worse still under Cameron. A more radical version of the shit we have right now.
Only the other day some twat (thoughs adly far from alone) on the radio saying the next election will be a war between the 'workers and the shirkers' - the employed and the unemployed.
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