cockneyrebel
New Member
I actually have some sympathy with what you're saying rebel, all I'm saying is that you seem to be implying that ANY piss taking of Islamic religious leaders is wrong....
Why Socialists should support Respect
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
How old are you RW?
rebel warrior
Soca Warrior
cockneyrebel said:
I am willing to bet that your 'piss taking' was not funny.
Wouldn't have had you down for "a shiraz drunking patio" person.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Okay, okay, lets try and take the heat out of this. But still, I just don't follow that logic. I'm involved in anti-racism stuff on and off and have been for a long time - but why does that mean you can't make comments - humorous or analytical - about authority systems in particular religions? In fact i would put it the other way round - its actually indefensible to ignore things on the grounds that group x are on the receiving end of racismrebel warrior said:
rebel warrior
Soca Warrior
butchersapron said:
You are laughing at Martin Luther King and the bus joke. I suggest you read a little bit more about the US civil rights movement.
I should be doing something more profitable than exposing you lot as pseudo revolutionary Tory-anarchists, yes. Quite right, sir. I'll let flimsier analyse the Ian Donavan article in peace - that should be interesting.
cockneyrebel
New Member
Rebel can you debate in a rational way? Obviously I'm not saying that the left shouldn't defend TU leaders from the right-wing. What I'm saying is that because the right-wing media attacks them does that mean the left should NEVER take the piss out of trade union leaders? Surely you're not saying that?
And while I agree that in this climate that people have to be careful with humour in terms of Islam, I still don't think that means that people should NEVER take the piss out of Islamic leaders. But are you seriously saying now that we shouldn't even criticise Islamic leaders?!?!
As for Workers Powers work in the miner's strike I'd say it pisses all over the SWP with your "downturn" theory but that's another debate. Calling for worker's councils in one of the biggest workers strikes in British history - madness I tell you!
And while I agree that in this climate that people have to be careful with humour in terms of Islam, I still don't think that means that people should NEVER take the piss out of Islamic leaders. But are you seriously saying now that we shouldn't even criticise Islamic leaders?!?!
As for Workers Powers work in the miner's strike I'd say it pisses all over the SWP with your "downturn" theory but that's another debate. Calling for worker's councils in one of the biggest workers strikes in British history - madness I tell you!
cockneyrebel
New Member
Are you seriously arguing that people aren't allowed to take the piss out of Ghandi's politics?!
Fuck off you twat. I was actually saying that considering that's the title of the thread, I would've expected some discussion of the article on the thread. I made a sarcy point on there being no such discussion. Then I saw you write something preponderously hypocritical.rebel warrior said:
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
As i've said before RW, they're going to eat you alive in the real world. They really are. If you ever leave campus in your life that is.
lewislewis
Lumumba Cymru
respect is an electoral project. i don't think socialists should back them because they will never have the mass support needed to electorally implement socialistic policies in what is a massive, predominantly conservative British state.
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
lewislewis said:
At last - someone getting back to the topic of the thread! By your logic though, wouldn't socialists have to give up being socialists altogether, and try to pull off some impossible putsch?
Look forward to hearing Ian Dovan defending hi pro paedo-rights position to the Imams!
lewislewis
Lumumba Cymru
nah, i'm just saying revolutionary socialists should either stay out of electoral politics, or put their money where their mouths are and stop pretending to be revolutionaries.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Because he's telling posters on here who are in their 30s or 40s (or even oldr)that have been involved in the labour movement for 20 or 30 years that they've never experienced class struggle. He's pontificating about the miners strike when i bet he was barely born when it was taking place. He's making thinly veiled accusations of racism at people who are long term anti-fascists - and i want to know if he's a 20 year old student who's never been involved in full time work (apart from a summer) in his life. I want to know what he's basing his idiotic posts on. What his experience is that he can wag his finger or poke it into other posters chests and tell us just what's what.mattkidd12 said:
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I've said nothing of the sort, nor do i think that. They're not advised however not to tell people who've seen more bitter struggles than they ever have that they've never experienced class struggle. And i wouldn't advise them to tell long term anti-fascists that they're really racists either. Not unless they really do want to appear as the sterotypical know it all, just left home student trot we all know and despise, no.mattkidd12 said:
Matt, you've picked up a really nasty habit off RW and udo of twisting what people have said. It won't do you any favours hereor in the real world.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Can you not actually read or are you putting words in BA's mouth on purpose?mattkidd12 said:
past caring
The Cathars were right
mattkidd12 said:
Did you bother reading butchers' post before replying? You certainly didn't bother to digest it.....
Having an opinion isn't an issue. Pulling rank is.
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