DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
That's why the cunt can't put quotes in. He copies and pastes all the negative press, scuttles away, gets his official answers then comes back to post (and read any further updates).
Why so many threads about Israel?
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TP: I will repeat my last post. It is more likely that U75 stopped counting my time when I closed the screen to go elsewhere and then when I returned started the count anew.
Anyway, what do you care? Do you not have better things to do then examine my posting style under a microscope? Something like "ISSUES?"
Then you tell me I am "obessesed?" Suuuuuure. Got it, thanks. Wink.
Dexter: "Cut and paste.": I have been accused of this before and it has been proven wrong then. I invite you to prove otherwise. I know, I know, it is just so unfathomable that there could be a committed Zionist who actually deings to talk to people most other Zionists would not even look at much less hold discourse with. Shhot me for trying to express myself.
Anyway, what do you care? Do you not have better things to do then examine my posting style under a microscope? Something like "ISSUES?"
Then you tell me I am "obessesed?" Suuuuuure. Got it, thanks. Wink.
Dexter: "Cut and paste.": I have been accused of this before and it has been proven wrong then. I invite you to prove otherwise. I know, I know, it is just so unfathomable that there could be a committed Zionist who actually deings to talk to people most other Zionists would not even look at much less hold discourse with. Shhot me for trying to express myself.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
Strange thing to say. Expressing yourself is the last thing I'd shoot you for.
Anyway I didn't say you cut and pasted, I said you copied and pasted. (You shot yourself in the foot there.) Claiming you can prove you did not C&P also requires a shooting though. Putting an old troll out of its misery so it can sit under that big bridge in the sky.
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What?
That's not how it works. You post something, and the time of the posting gets recorded.
The fact remains that you posted an amount of words in an amount of time that makes it absolutely impossible for you not to have prepared at least some of them in advance.
As I said before I actually couldn't care less whether you (or others) do prepare answers in advance or not. But the fact that you still deny it takes place when it is quite obvious it does is rather telling...
Dexter: It would be more than easy to prove someone Cut and Pasted. All you have to do is perform a relevant search on the material by searching the first setence or thereabouts. It will then produce hits on the sourced materiel. I am self taught on computers and could have told you that just from common sense.
Also, as a self taught person, to this day I still do not even know how to Cut and Paste so it is all academic.
TP: For example, let us say that I come on the Forum now. I post in 4 threads, and then close the window, "X" it off. I then do what I need to do and return 2 hours later. IF I then start posting again, and you time me using the time from my first post, and the time from my last post you will see it as much longer time spent in the Forum. Follow? This is very much common sense.
I do not prepare my posts, why would anyone do that? And I also do not type so many words in so many seconds. It is what it is. I would suggest though that you learn to pay LESS attention to conspiracy theories and more to the subjects at hand.
Also, as a self taught person, to this day I still do not even know how to Cut and Paste so it is all academic.
TP: For example, let us say that I come on the Forum now. I post in 4 threads, and then close the window, "X" it off. I then do what I need to do and return 2 hours later. IF I then start posting again, and you time me using the time from my first post, and the time from my last post you will see it as much longer time spent in the Forum. Follow? This is very much common sense.
I do not prepare my posts, why would anyone do that? And I also do not type so many words in so many seconds. It is what it is. I would suggest though that you learn to pay LESS attention to conspiracy theories and more to the subjects at hand.
looks like the US is putting in a brand new radar base on israeli soil. there will be approximately 100 US military personnel stationed there and it'll be the first permanent foreign military base in israel
i guess this is to enhance the early warning capabilities of israel for airborne attacks from their enemies.
i guess this is to enhance the early warning capabilities of israel for airborne attacks from their enemies.
Bang to Rights
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Perhaps because the big 3 religions of the west are based upon Judaism. "The Jews" are part of us whether we be Christian or Moslem. Take Israel away from the Jews and we're all up the shit without a tissue.
Let's face it, Israel is Judaism down to the roots. If Jews are not allowed their say in their own destiny then we may just as well roll out the carpet for the coming of armagedon and get it over with.
Why so many threads about Israel? Because we all have a stake in its' existence whether we like it or not.
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That's rather ironic.looks like the US is putting in a brand new radar base on israeli soil. there will be approximately 100 US military personnel stationed there and it'll be the first permanent foreign military base in israel
i guess this is to enhance the early warning capabilities of israel for airborne attacks from their enemies.
It should be all its neighbours who should be getting every early warning radars money can buy, given how disturbingly little it takes for Israel to illegally enter other people's airspace and bomb them at will.
Bang to Rights
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It's funny (an unfortunate figure of speech) that 6 million Jews were exterminated by the Nazis, God knows how many Rwandans and Bosnians were "ethnically cleansed", the Yanks murdered thousands upon thousands of Iraqi soldiers and civilians in their on-going false-motivated invasion and occupation, the Palestinians blow up innocent old men, women and children by the score - yet some ignore all that and rant about the Israelis' shooting an occasional terrorist now and then.
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2/10.
Detroit: No, it is not a "base." The thing is creating tension though because they refuse to allow Israeli technicians or Analysts to assimilate the output. They want to have their cake and eat it too and I predict it will not last if it even is iniated at all. It is to benefit Yanks, and then give handouts to the IDF and Defence Ministry IF and when they choose to.
This is exactly what i speak about when I rant against US money. Nothing is ever free.
TP: Israel has NEVER entered any nations' airspace without direct provocation. The IDF/IAF are not even geared for offencive warfare. Syria? Well you might wish to peek in the current thread I iniated where it seems Israel was right again. Lebanom? Need I say more?
In any one of the many wars that Israel has engaged in, not one was iniated by Israel (not that Israel never took the first shot, just that even then they were iniated by entities other than Israel). Our armed forces are defencive through and through.
This is exactly what i speak about when I rant against US money. Nothing is ever free.
TP: Israel has NEVER entered any nations' airspace without direct provocation. The IDF/IAF are not even geared for offencive warfare. Syria? Well you might wish to peek in the current thread I iniated where it seems Israel was right again. Lebanom? Need I say more?
In any one of the many wars that Israel has engaged in, not one was iniated by Israel (not that Israel never took the first shot, just that even then they were iniated by entities other than Israel). Our armed forces are defencive through and through.
TP: "2/10"? What does that mean? The death rate? Indeed, Israel should now be faulted for being efficient soldiers. Why not? People like you blame us for everything else? Just one more Blood Libel. Keep it coming.
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What the fuck are you talking about? Remember the UN you like to invoke so much when it suits your interests? Do you really think Israel has the right to launch bombardments on sovereign nations without UN approval, just because it suspects might be building an installation that could be used to develop weapons-grade uranium?
LOL! You're having a laugh, right?
Yes, do say more. Do explain how the kidnapping of two soldiers by a group of militants legally justifies attacking a sovereign nation and killing many hundreds of civilians in indiscriminate bombings, against every international convention known to man.
Do pull the other one.
Seeing as Israel is illegally occupying other people's land and refusing to comply with international law, it is not terribly surprising that some of the people being occupied, oppressed, tortured and killed by the aggresor might want to fight back.
Your argument is akin to a bully breaking into someone's house, occupying all rooms but one, and then declaring everyone should live in peace, that he doesn't want any trouble or violence and that the others should just put up with it.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Dexter: I have no idea what you are on about. I would normally, in my modest and unassuming way beg forgiveness for my deficiency in English but actually knowing your posting skills I tend to think it is not my fault.
TP: "Does Rachamim really think Israel has a right to launch air salvos without prior UN approval?": I believe that I recently asked you to research a neat little thing called "Causus Belli." I truly hope you do so as it will help both of us avoid the same exchange over and over.
The UN is NOT the arbiter of International Law (how many times has THIS repeated?). Were all nations to go to the UN and seek permission for an operation, the element of suprise would be negated. Can you even imagine the implications?
Furthermore, everyone got a great kick out of Dubya's WMD Hunt in Iraq. Imagine though, how things might have been had Israel not neutralised Saddam's nuclear ambitions in the early 1980s? For that matter, the Rail Gun but the issue is one and the same.
While Western nations such as your sit on their laurels and pimp Mid-Eastern oil, other nations such as my own must suffer and sit on their hands, waiting for annihilation? Is that how you see it? Syria has been in a state of perpetually Declared War for how long? Then, if Israel obtained irrefutable Intel on the intent of the project should it have instead gone to the Security Council so it could then notify Syria of any and all charges? Then wait about 3 years for Sanctions to run their course (they never work)? The idea is laughable but thank G-D itis not legally important so it is all academic.
I would also ask you to think about geography. Syria is a nation bordering us. It is a nation that has consistently tried to destroy us since we became a nation. Syrian missles could hit any city in our nation in less than 10 minutes. The idea is not to wait until it is an actual problem but to nip it in the bud as they say. It is called "PROACTIVITY."
"How does the kidnapping of 2 soliders by a group of militants justify the attacking of a sovereign nation, killing many hundreds of non-combatants in indiscriminate bombings thus violating every known Convention to man?":
I will patiently explain a few things to you TP. first, we knew the two had died less than 4 days after the event. By 7/16/06 we had no illusions. When the event actually happened on 7/12/06 there had been just under 6 months of daily shelling, by Hezbollah, affecting just about all of Galilee.
The unprovoked shelling , on the first day, would have been perfect legal grounds to INVADE the nation. Instead, as almost ALWAYS, Israel tried to sit it out. Attacking Lebanon is not a decison made lightly. There is a very intricate dynamic in Lebanon and our presence there will undoubtedly ALWAYS have reprecussions that will reveberate for many years if not decades.
On 7/12/16 they launched yet another salvo of 120 mm ordnance into the Israeli village of Zarit and then crossed 100 meters into Israel, where our Outer Border Barrier sits, and blew it up. They then did the same with the Inner and as the jeep rolled over a small crest fired RPGs into the vehichles. Our Squads are 6 to 7 men depending on whether or not a CO is present and this was a full Squad with CO, in 2 jeeps rolling in tandem one behind the other. ALL men were hit. Killing 3 immediately, thinking 2 others to be dead, they dragged 2 others who may or may not have been still living through the holes and into a stolen UNIFIL auto and into Lebanon.
A tank on Border Duty was deployed rapidly and still on Israeli soil (our Border Perimiters lie at least 100 meters into Israel so as to not violate another nation's border inadvertantly), it hit an IED packed with 360 kilograms of explosive. The IED was detonated via remote, thus they were able to score a Total, killing the entire crew and Killing the tank. An infantryman, bless his heart tried to retireve the tank crew after it hit the IED and was himself mowed down by gunmen.
Both wounded soldiers still on the Israeli side died before they could be evacuated so, they had killed at least 10 and kidnapped 2 others before any soldier made it into Lebanon on their own accord. A bit different when you do not pop nuggets out of context, but assimilate ALL the information, right?
Then, still on the 12th, Israeli publicly announced by both PM Olmert and Defence Minister Peretz that Israel was going in UNTIL the Lebanese Armed Forces deployed south of the Alawi River and replaced Hezbollah which here to fore had been the only armed force south of Alwai since 2000 (not including UNIFIL which by written agreement was not allowed to even have regular patrols unless personally OKd by Hezbolli regional command).
The Lebanese Govt. did not say a word. It is true that Israel deployed a single Battalion (Cheruv/93rd Battalion, K'fir Brigade, Infantry) into Lebanon , which was totally legal under Law but the point being that it was strictly Search and Rescue, no Neutrlisation Objectives, no Infrastructural Objectives, no Military Objectives per se. That did not take place until 7/13/06 when the Lebanese Govt. still refused to deal with the issue and Hezbollah had fired up its Katyushas., truck mounted, and underground siloed multiple launchers and all of Galilee was under attack.
Infrastructure, as I explained to you many times, is Military Doctrine 101 stuff. Anytime you engage in a Ground War you HAVE to target infrastructure. You describe Hezbollah as a "bunch of militants." If you think that you really do not have a clue. I just posted the other day in a thread by David that Hezboolah is an integral part of the Lebanese Govt. While it was not the case per se in 2006 it was true in the defacto sense since the Govt., was impotent in all of Southern Lebanon and Beka'a.
Hezbollah was founded by the Iranian Revolutionary Gurad which to this day operates 2 military bases outside of Ba'albek in Beka'a. Iran funds and trains them, and Syria arms them. They are the only Lebanese Govt in the regions I mentioned. Hezbollah's mere existence under International AND Lebanese Law is illegal but of course the Lebanese were and are in no position to deal with this huge threat. You can see what happened earlier this year when the Govt did try to spank the group. Now Hezbollah ahs EVEN MORE power and stature.
When a group has coopted power as Hezbollah has done, the entire nation must be dealt with as a Belligerent. Israel took great pain to minimise non-combatant deaths, i.e. Collateral Damage. I would have to look up the number but we did at least 36 different Leaflet Bombing sorties over the country. We warned the non-combatants what Nasrallah and company were up to. We warned them that we had no choice but to respond and for all concerned to move north of the Alawi.
Although roads and bridges are included in Infrastructure we left routes available that could not support heavy vehichles like Launchers, and such. Yet people being people, sometimes chose to stick it out. Hell, we even had computerised AND human phone calls to all land lines in the region, as well as computerised text messages and calls on mobiles. What other army has ever taken such care?
But of course, in your mind Israel should have just kept absorbing the missiles and armed incursions unto its land, right? So what if they slaughter and kidnap at will. So what if they launch 120 mm rockets at will all day long, 7 days a week on multi launchers.
As for Conventions, Israel did not violate a single one.
"TP makes excuses for terrorists killing Israelis.": Niiiice. You might want to actualy research International Law before posting. IF Israel were in violation, why is it not being charged? I ask you many times, and you never answer. The best you can manage is "The US is its friend." Cool EXCEPT that this would not stop it from being charged, only possibly work in the UN under Security Council which as nothing at all to do with actual Law. Why has Israel never been charged? Please answer it.
You can quote Leftist sites until you are blue in the face but the fact of the matter is this: Israel is not violating a damn thing because Israel is the Jewish State and only Jews have EVER had a nation there. See, all that "occupation" crap sounds real neat but has no basis in reality.
THEN you have to take Jordan into the equation. You probably do not even realise Jordan is comprised of the bulk of the former British Mandate. The monarchy is in the hands of Arabians (from what is now Saudi Arabia) given to them by YOUR country, for services rendered against the Turks in WWI. "Palestinians" were offered THAT and plenty more in 1919 but turned it down in hopes of getting IT ALL (nothing changes). Still, virtually the entire population of Jordan is made up of..."PALESTINIANS."
THEN, you have Israel giving 100% of Gaza, land equalling 100% of the so called "WB" and there goes your idea out the window...
Of course, there are some who believe Israel is an "Occupier" simply for hoping to exist on 1/9th its historical landmass, as in HAMAS, et al. Are you one of those TP? Do you say Israel has no Right to Exist? If you agree that Israel has a moral and historical right (it was already given the Legal right in the 1940s), what is your problem?
The Greenline? The Greenline was never a Border! It was an Armistice Line!!! What makes you imagine that once they finally get around to founding their long ballyhooed state, that they will not then their gaze to little Israel, a land very well devloped thanks to the effort of its People, and try to again that as well?
Fact is, under the Ross Plan in the early 1990s they were offered all of Gaza, all of the "WB," all of E. Jerusalem, and the "Palestinian Right of Return!" They REFUSED. R-E-F-U-S-E-D. Please enter reality TP.
TP: "Does Rachamim really think Israel has a right to launch air salvos without prior UN approval?": I believe that I recently asked you to research a neat little thing called "Causus Belli." I truly hope you do so as it will help both of us avoid the same exchange over and over.
The UN is NOT the arbiter of International Law (how many times has THIS repeated?). Were all nations to go to the UN and seek permission for an operation, the element of suprise would be negated. Can you even imagine the implications?
Furthermore, everyone got a great kick out of Dubya's WMD Hunt in Iraq. Imagine though, how things might have been had Israel not neutralised Saddam's nuclear ambitions in the early 1980s? For that matter, the Rail Gun but the issue is one and the same.
While Western nations such as your sit on their laurels and pimp Mid-Eastern oil, other nations such as my own must suffer and sit on their hands, waiting for annihilation? Is that how you see it? Syria has been in a state of perpetually Declared War for how long? Then, if Israel obtained irrefutable Intel on the intent of the project should it have instead gone to the Security Council so it could then notify Syria of any and all charges? Then wait about 3 years for Sanctions to run their course (they never work)? The idea is laughable but thank G-D itis not legally important so it is all academic.
I would also ask you to think about geography. Syria is a nation bordering us. It is a nation that has consistently tried to destroy us since we became a nation. Syrian missles could hit any city in our nation in less than 10 minutes. The idea is not to wait until it is an actual problem but to nip it in the bud as they say. It is called "PROACTIVITY."
"How does the kidnapping of 2 soliders by a group of militants justify the attacking of a sovereign nation, killing many hundreds of non-combatants in indiscriminate bombings thus violating every known Convention to man?":
I will patiently explain a few things to you TP. first, we knew the two had died less than 4 days after the event. By 7/16/06 we had no illusions. When the event actually happened on 7/12/06 there had been just under 6 months of daily shelling, by Hezbollah, affecting just about all of Galilee.
The unprovoked shelling , on the first day, would have been perfect legal grounds to INVADE the nation. Instead, as almost ALWAYS, Israel tried to sit it out. Attacking Lebanon is not a decison made lightly. There is a very intricate dynamic in Lebanon and our presence there will undoubtedly ALWAYS have reprecussions that will reveberate for many years if not decades.
On 7/12/16 they launched yet another salvo of 120 mm ordnance into the Israeli village of Zarit and then crossed 100 meters into Israel, where our Outer Border Barrier sits, and blew it up. They then did the same with the Inner and as the jeep rolled over a small crest fired RPGs into the vehichles. Our Squads are 6 to 7 men depending on whether or not a CO is present and this was a full Squad with CO, in 2 jeeps rolling in tandem one behind the other. ALL men were hit. Killing 3 immediately, thinking 2 others to be dead, they dragged 2 others who may or may not have been still living through the holes and into a stolen UNIFIL auto and into Lebanon.
A tank on Border Duty was deployed rapidly and still on Israeli soil (our Border Perimiters lie at least 100 meters into Israel so as to not violate another nation's border inadvertantly), it hit an IED packed with 360 kilograms of explosive. The IED was detonated via remote, thus they were able to score a Total, killing the entire crew and Killing the tank. An infantryman, bless his heart tried to retireve the tank crew after it hit the IED and was himself mowed down by gunmen.
Both wounded soldiers still on the Israeli side died before they could be evacuated so, they had killed at least 10 and kidnapped 2 others before any soldier made it into Lebanon on their own accord. A bit different when you do not pop nuggets out of context, but assimilate ALL the information, right?
Then, still on the 12th, Israeli publicly announced by both PM Olmert and Defence Minister Peretz that Israel was going in UNTIL the Lebanese Armed Forces deployed south of the Alawi River and replaced Hezbollah which here to fore had been the only armed force south of Alwai since 2000 (not including UNIFIL which by written agreement was not allowed to even have regular patrols unless personally OKd by Hezbolli regional command).
The Lebanese Govt. did not say a word. It is true that Israel deployed a single Battalion (Cheruv/93rd Battalion, K'fir Brigade, Infantry) into Lebanon , which was totally legal under Law but the point being that it was strictly Search and Rescue, no Neutrlisation Objectives, no Infrastructural Objectives, no Military Objectives per se. That did not take place until 7/13/06 when the Lebanese Govt. still refused to deal with the issue and Hezbollah had fired up its Katyushas., truck mounted, and underground siloed multiple launchers and all of Galilee was under attack.
Infrastructure, as I explained to you many times, is Military Doctrine 101 stuff. Anytime you engage in a Ground War you HAVE to target infrastructure. You describe Hezbollah as a "bunch of militants." If you think that you really do not have a clue. I just posted the other day in a thread by David that Hezboolah is an integral part of the Lebanese Govt. While it was not the case per se in 2006 it was true in the defacto sense since the Govt., was impotent in all of Southern Lebanon and Beka'a.
Hezbollah was founded by the Iranian Revolutionary Gurad which to this day operates 2 military bases outside of Ba'albek in Beka'a. Iran funds and trains them, and Syria arms them. They are the only Lebanese Govt in the regions I mentioned. Hezbollah's mere existence under International AND Lebanese Law is illegal but of course the Lebanese were and are in no position to deal with this huge threat. You can see what happened earlier this year when the Govt did try to spank the group. Now Hezbollah ahs EVEN MORE power and stature.
When a group has coopted power as Hezbollah has done, the entire nation must be dealt with as a Belligerent. Israel took great pain to minimise non-combatant deaths, i.e. Collateral Damage. I would have to look up the number but we did at least 36 different Leaflet Bombing sorties over the country. We warned the non-combatants what Nasrallah and company were up to. We warned them that we had no choice but to respond and for all concerned to move north of the Alawi.
Although roads and bridges are included in Infrastructure we left routes available that could not support heavy vehichles like Launchers, and such. Yet people being people, sometimes chose to stick it out. Hell, we even had computerised AND human phone calls to all land lines in the region, as well as computerised text messages and calls on mobiles. What other army has ever taken such care?
But of course, in your mind Israel should have just kept absorbing the missiles and armed incursions unto its land, right? So what if they slaughter and kidnap at will. So what if they launch 120 mm rockets at will all day long, 7 days a week on multi launchers.
As for Conventions, Israel did not violate a single one.
"TP makes excuses for terrorists killing Israelis.": Niiiice. You might want to actualy research International Law before posting. IF Israel were in violation, why is it not being charged? I ask you many times, and you never answer. The best you can manage is "The US is its friend." Cool EXCEPT that this would not stop it from being charged, only possibly work in the UN under Security Council which as nothing at all to do with actual Law. Why has Israel never been charged? Please answer it.
You can quote Leftist sites until you are blue in the face but the fact of the matter is this: Israel is not violating a damn thing because Israel is the Jewish State and only Jews have EVER had a nation there. See, all that "occupation" crap sounds real neat but has no basis in reality.
THEN you have to take Jordan into the equation. You probably do not even realise Jordan is comprised of the bulk of the former British Mandate. The monarchy is in the hands of Arabians (from what is now Saudi Arabia) given to them by YOUR country, for services rendered against the Turks in WWI. "Palestinians" were offered THAT and plenty more in 1919 but turned it down in hopes of getting IT ALL (nothing changes). Still, virtually the entire population of Jordan is made up of..."PALESTINIANS."
THEN, you have Israel giving 100% of Gaza, land equalling 100% of the so called "WB" and there goes your idea out the window...
Of course, there are some who believe Israel is an "Occupier" simply for hoping to exist on 1/9th its historical landmass, as in HAMAS, et al. Are you one of those TP? Do you say Israel has no Right to Exist? If you agree that Israel has a moral and historical right (it was already given the Legal right in the 1940s), what is your problem?
The Greenline? The Greenline was never a Border! It was an Armistice Line!!! What makes you imagine that once they finally get around to founding their long ballyhooed state, that they will not then their gaze to little Israel, a land very well devloped thanks to the effort of its People, and try to again that as well?
Fact is, under the Ross Plan in the early 1990s they were offered all of Gaza, all of the "WB," all of E. Jerusalem, and the "Palestinian Right of Return!" They REFUSED. R-E-F-U-S-E-D. Please enter reality TP.
Bang to Rights
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Well, let’s see now. There’s a shit-load of “Christian countries” on this planet - A ton of “Moslem countries” – a good number of “Buddhist countries” – A “Hindu country”, etc. and well ….. as far as I know there’s only one “Jewish State”, the existence of which is a precarious one.
The Jews have fought and died for (and against) Germany, Poland, Russia, the Ukraine, Belarus, France, Spain, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and a whole lot of other countries in which their religious beliefs were given no respect and/or condemned. The Jews have been distained, restricted from professional duties, hunted, rooted out, and “Holocausted”. So whether or not peace in the Middle East is achieved at least the Jews may prosper, fight and die upon their own soil. Finally!
Allowing (or propagating) social and political injustices should never be considered “fair dues” even by a people who have suffered as much as the Jews, but it is a racist’s conviction that Israel be condemned for not being any less perfect than the majority of other countries around the globe.
The Jews have fought and died for (and against) Germany, Poland, Russia, the Ukraine, Belarus, France, Spain, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and a whole lot of other countries in which their religious beliefs were given no respect and/or condemned. The Jews have been distained, restricted from professional duties, hunted, rooted out, and “Holocausted”. So whether or not peace in the Middle East is achieved at least the Jews may prosper, fight and die upon their own soil. Finally!
Allowing (or propagating) social and political injustices should never be considered “fair dues” even by a people who have suffered as much as the Jews, but it is a racist’s conviction that Israel be condemned for not being any less perfect than the majority of other countries around the globe.
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Another 1,700+ word tirade consisting of evidence-free rethoric, propaganda, bullshit and lies.
So suffice to say the following:
- Israel is illegally occupying Palestinian and Syrian terroritory.
- Israel has subjected the Palestinian to a catalogue of atrocities and human right abuses very much illegal.
- Israel did illegally attack Lebanon and its bombing of civilian targets was completey disproportionate and unjustified
- And yes, Israel did target civilians purely for revenge purposes
- And no, lack of prosecution by an international court does not equate innocence. Unless you're suggesting Georgia did not wrong in South Ossetia; Russia did nothing wrong on Georgian soil in retaliation; Pinochet didn't torture and kill anyone; Franco didn't torture and kill anyone; the Russians didn't commit war crimes in Chechnya; nothing really is happening in Sudan; the Chinese don't perpetrate human right abuses; etc etc etc.
- Israel (or should that be "Israel") has never, not once in the 40+ years since the start of the illegal occupation, offered to return the West Bank in full and to remove the cancer-like tumour settlements plaguing the region. In fact, the best plan that was ever put on the table for the Palestinians was an unnaceptable piece of shit.
Stop lying.
Bang: Yes, that is another good point. I am the first to admit when Israel actually does wrong, as I was in 2 cases this week in this forum. Yet, Israel is expected by most to be special and above normal human convention and that is obscene.
TP: OF course you did the usual, hide behind a few words. You raise points, I respond point by point by point and all you can do is side step!
"Israel is illegaly occupying Syrian land...": NO, it is not. It is legally doing so and the UN is fine with it. It is totally related to Syria's whims. When (not IF) Syria decides that it is able to live in peace we will return Golan. Golan is a huge promontory overlooking the bulk of the Galilee. All they used to do was point their artillery down and fire away.
It has immense tactical value and as such Israel is well within its rights not to return land to an entity that has publicly committed itself to destroying Israel. I remind you yet again that Syria is in a perpetual state of Declared War with Israel.
As for "Palestinian" land, you still have not told us about the nation of "Palestine." When was it founded? Who was its first leader?
"Israel has subjected the 'Palestinians' to a host of inequities...": As I asked you, where are the charges? Feel like answering yet or will you instead make more non-sencial words like "Blah"?
"Israel DID illegaly attack Lebanon...": Refe to my last post. You still have not offered a single word on it. Are you not embarrssed?
"Israel attacked Lebanon's Infrastructure and people.": Same as above.
"Israel DID target civlians strictly for revenge purposes.": Oh, I had not realised that you worked for General Command. Eh Habibi? Meh Chadash? What a joke! You have no idea who and what was targeeted so please spare us. Talk about facts TP, surely you have some.
"Lack of prescution does not equal innocence.": No, it does not, correct. It does however denote lack of guilt. Innocence is not "proved," guilt is. innocence is ASSUMED by lack of guilt. You cannot prove something intangible.
You maintain that Israel has committed a whole library of offences and yet there is nothing in reality to show this. AGAIN, prove it.
You made the accusations, put your money where your mouth is.
Your analogies between Israel and other nations is non-sensical. There happens to be a case devloping in the Hague in relation to Darfur. There is no case, now, involving Checnya because unlike Israel, Russians did not let even their own media into the operational zone, evidence would take many years to develop if at all, aside from the fact that Russia still has its heel on that land.
I will reply to the rest hopefully tomorrow as I must go out now. It would be nice if you proved your point, just am idea. Cannot blame me for hoping, yes?
TP: OF course you did the usual, hide behind a few words. You raise points, I respond point by point by point and all you can do is side step!
"Israel is illegaly occupying Syrian land...": NO, it is not. It is legally doing so and the UN is fine with it. It is totally related to Syria's whims. When (not IF) Syria decides that it is able to live in peace we will return Golan. Golan is a huge promontory overlooking the bulk of the Galilee. All they used to do was point their artillery down and fire away.
It has immense tactical value and as such Israel is well within its rights not to return land to an entity that has publicly committed itself to destroying Israel. I remind you yet again that Syria is in a perpetual state of Declared War with Israel.
As for "Palestinian" land, you still have not told us about the nation of "Palestine." When was it founded? Who was its first leader?
"Israel has subjected the 'Palestinians' to a host of inequities...": As I asked you, where are the charges? Feel like answering yet or will you instead make more non-sencial words like "Blah"?
"Israel DID illegaly attack Lebanon...": Refe to my last post. You still have not offered a single word on it. Are you not embarrssed?
"Israel attacked Lebanon's Infrastructure and people.": Same as above.
"Israel DID target civlians strictly for revenge purposes.": Oh, I had not realised that you worked for General Command. Eh Habibi? Meh Chadash? What a joke! You have no idea who and what was targeeted so please spare us. Talk about facts TP, surely you have some.
"Lack of prescution does not equal innocence.": No, it does not, correct. It does however denote lack of guilt. Innocence is not "proved," guilt is. innocence is ASSUMED by lack of guilt. You cannot prove something intangible.
You maintain that Israel has committed a whole library of offences and yet there is nothing in reality to show this. AGAIN, prove it.
You made the accusations, put your money where your mouth is.
Your analogies between Israel and other nations is non-sensical. There happens to be a case devloping in the Hague in relation to Darfur. There is no case, now, involving Checnya because unlike Israel, Russians did not let even their own media into the operational zone, evidence would take many years to develop if at all, aside from the fact that Russia still has its heel on that land.
I will reply to the rest hopefully tomorrow as I must go out now. It would be nice if you proved your point, just am idea. Cannot blame me for hoping, yes?
Bang to Rights
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- The United Snakes is illegally occupying Iraq as well as Indian/Spanish-Mexican territory as well as having done the same with Vietnam, Grenada, Cuba, etc.
- The United Snakes has subjected the Iraqis, Vietnamese, the Indians, and its' own black citizenry to a catalogue of atrocities and human right abuses very much illegal.
- And yes, the United Snakes did target Arabs, Vietnamese, communists, black Americans and Indian civilians purely for revenge purposes. Britain targeted Sikhs, Chinese, etc. civilians purely for revenge purposes
*** So we're back to my earlier statement about racist (anti-semetic, call it what you like) prejudices when it comes to singling out Israelis and letting the rest of the world slide unnoticed.
If you'd like to conduct your facts in an intelligent, academic manner - void of what appears to be a one-sided, racist agenda then I'll listen. Otherwise you're just heating up the air and fouling the atmosphere. I've got a wind up my back-side that'll equal your argumentative earnestness.
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Er... have you noticed the name of this forum?
Bang to Rights
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Er... have you noticed the name of this forum?
Ah, I know that this an insult in the grandest manner but you'll have to spell it out for me before I can feel the pain.
A-ha! You mean that I ought not to drag the U.S. and Britain into a discussion about Israel? Fair enough. I've got too much of the U.S. on the brain these days. Sorry.
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