why isn't everyone on the left an anarchist

[FreddyB]

if your gonna be a socialist why not be a libertarian socialist and thus an anarchist. Why would any self respecting lefty favour authoritarian structures?

Lots of different reasons. You might as well ask why all socialists don't favour the idea of a benevolent dictatorship

 

[Rod Sleeves]

I really love one of the examples beloved of young enthusiastic free market types;

"If your neighbour wants to borrow your lawn mower, it makes sense to charge him an amount that you can both agree on, that is based on the amount of time he borrows it for."



Er no, you fuckwits - in the real world you say "Sure mate, here you go, I'll be out later but I'll leave the key to the shed under the gnome by the back porch if you can just stick it away when you've finished that would be great, cheers."

 

[DotCommunist]

I really love one of the examples beloved of young enthusiastic free market types;

"If your neighbour wants to borrow your lawn mower, it makes sense to charge him an amount that you can both agree on, that is based on the amount of time he borrows it for."



Er no, you fuckwits - in the real world you say "Sure mate, here you go, I'll be out later but I'll leave the key to the shed under the gnome by the back porch if you can just stick it away when you've finished that would be great, cheers."

It's quite literally knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing.

 

[kyser_soze]

True, but if you're charging him the cunt will return the mower, rather than just having it 'resting' in his shed.

 

[Stoat Boy]

True, but if you're charging him the cunt will return the mower, rather than just having it 'resting' in his shed.

Quite.

And as if any of these bastards on here would

a:ever own a garden anyway

and

b:keep it neat and tidy if they did.

 

[LLETSA]

The basics of how we co-operate are the free market.

In reality, there is no free market.

 

[DotCommunist]

nihilistic pessimism is the laziest position imaginable

 

[smokedout]

nihilistic pessimism is the laziest position imaginable

who cares. we're all fucked anyway

 

[DotCommunist]

That's the spirit!

 

[Rod Sleeves]

True, but if you're charging him the cunt will return the mower, rather than just having it 'resting' in his shed.

Has this ever happened to you? If so I suggest you see what it is about your character that makes people feel they can take advantage of you

 

[danny la rouge]

And as if any of these bastards on here would

a:ever own a garden anyway

We, none of us, really ever own the soil in which we grow our nourishment, man.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

I'm assuming that the 'yes' was ironic and that you disagreed with the earlier post. Could you elaborate on what you mean here? I'm not seeing how any of these examples (apart from your family) would necessarily not operate by free exchange. For instance, how does your school's out of hours club force any of the participants to pay more than the free market rate for whatever they get out of it?

You'll need to expand on what you mean by the free market, the free market rate and free exchange. Once you've done that then you'll need to give some examples of how you see these markets, rates and excahnges operating in the different club and familial relationships.

On the other hand you could just accpet the obvious; i.e. that Stoat Boy was very wide of the mark due to employing his ideological prejudicies rather than casting an eye over the way people live their day to day lives.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Louis MacNeice]

True, but if you're charging him the cunt will return the mower, rather than just having it 'resting' in his shed.

Not everybody is a cunt. But a lot of people will start to behave like one if that's how they're treated. Charging for the loan of a lawn mower indeed!

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Quite.

And as if any of these bastards on here would

a:ever own a garden anyway

and

b:keep it neat and tidy if they did.

I have a neat and tidy garden, with a rather nice shed. Dealing in stereotypes will only get you so far.

Louis MacNeice

 

[Spion]

I have a neat and tidy garden, with a rather nice shed.

That rings true

 

[Fozzie Bear]

I have a neat and tidy garden, with a rather nice shed. Dealing in stereotypes will only get you so far.

Louis MacNeice

Me too. And I lend people my lawnmower.

And when my neighbour broke it he was mortified and got it fixed as well as insisting on bringing me a round a load of beers to make up for it.

 

[TremulousTetra]

Excellent thread.

 

[Rod Sleeves]

Hardly anyone has a garden up here, it's bonkers just tiny grim yards and massive alleyways to fit the coal wagons in.

 

[The Black Hand]

I have a neat and tidy garden, with a rather nice shed. Dealing in stereotypes will only get you so far.

Louis MacNeice

My gardens bigger than yours

 

[danny la rouge]

I have a garden, but my tomatoes and peppers didn't do well this year. Perhaps I should have borrowed something from my neighbour?

 

[William of Walworth]

We have an untidy, overgrown garden ....

 

[danny la rouge]

We have an untidy, overgrown garden ....

Please tell me that isn't a euphemism!

 

[Louis MacNeice]

My garden's bigger than yours

There that's better - Louis MacNeice

 

[The Black Hand]

There that's better - Louis MacNeice

My gardens better than yours

 

[ViolentPanda]

Depends how you define winning and losing.

For me I tend to believe I am winning when the losers start going all grammar Nazi on me and stuff.

Even when you have to go Godwinesque to claim that you're doing so?

But then again if you define yourself in any way, shape or form as left wing I guess you are the experts on what losing is all about.

You just don't get it, do you, Mr. Binary?

 

[danny la rouge]

This thread title reminds me of the singer in a band I was in. He was always dividing the audience up and getting them to do stuff. "All the women sing the chorus". "All the Chinese people clap along". "All the people on the left ... be anarchists".

 

[Spion]

Durrutti should have something to say on all this. He's a keen gardener, I believe

 

[danny la rouge]

Durrutti should have something to say on all this. He's a keen gardener, I believe

He's pushing up daisies, if that's what you mean...

 

[Spion]

I seem to remember him weeping over a willow on Suburban once

 

[danny la rouge]

I seem to remember him weeping over a willow on Suburban once

Oh, the poster of that name.