Why is everyone such an expert about Israel

[tangentlama]

REsolutiom 181 did not happen in a vacuum...but I will show you that when I post my list.

where's your list?

 

[miss giggles]

Is anti-Zionism a replacement for social lives or something


It's comments like these, designed to defend appalling human rights abuses, that really piss me off. With that comment, I think you've answerd your own question there mate.

 

[tangentlama]

Is anti-Zionism a replacement for social lives or something

no. it's a valid viewpoint that many Jews (and non-Jews) are entitled to hold
some of us prefer aliyah be as it was, an act of holy pilgramage, not permanent settlement in Israel

It's comments like these, designed to defend appalling human rights abuses, that really piss me off. With that comment, I think you've answerd your own question there mate.

comments like what ? there's 5 pages of posts here.

 

[energy]

Is anti-Zionism a replacement for social lives or something

Anti-zionism is a last resort ideology for people running out of ideological options. Rather than viewing this situation as an intractable conflict between two ancient peoples, and rather than make some effort to reduce tension, some people prefer to take sides and call each other names, thus contributing to making the conflict even more intractable. Interferring in intractable conflicts is much more fun than a social life.

 

[miss giggles]

no. it's a valid viewpoint that many Jews (and non-Jews) are entitled to hold
some of us prefer aliyah be as it was, an act of holy pilgramage, not permanent settlement in Israel

comments like what ? there's 5 pages of posts here.

Apologies if it wasn't clear. I was commenting on the orignal question, not on the following posts.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Anti-zionism is a last resort ideology for people running out of ideological options. Rather than viewing this situation as an intractable conflict between two ancient peoples, and rather than make some effort to reduce tension, some people prefer to take sides and call each other names, thus contributing to making the conflict even more intractable. Interferring in intractable conflicts is much more fun than a social life.

Rather simplistic and not very accurate, in my humble opinion.

Your premise would need for both "ancient peoples" to be constituted of people adhering to a monolithic political system, whereas, in relaity, both "ancient peoples" have constituents right across the political spectrum.

So "intractable conflict between elements of two ancient peoples", yes.

But your proposition? Nope, hasn't ever been the case.

 

[miss giggles]

Anti-zionism is a last resort ideology for people running out of ideological options. Rather than viewing this situation as an intractable conflict between two ancient peoples, and rather than make some effort to reduce tension, some people prefer to take sides and call each other names, thus contributing to making the conflict even more intractable. Interferring in intractable conflicts is much more fun than a social life.

That comment was not posted by me!! I was commenting on the comment, as it were.

 

[tangentlama]

Apologies if it wasn't clear. I was commenting on the orignal question, not on the following posts.

love ya, miss giggles
thanks for clearing that up.

 

[asdf man]

So like now I notice Israel is withdrawing from Gaza and the Palestinians are celebrating

Any 'anti-Zionists' support this? Or is it just going to be used as another knife to poke at Israel? I'm not Jewish or Muslim, the settlers and extremist Palestinians seem to be a good match for each other IMO - but yeah, anyone want to give Israel a gold star (no pun intended, eek)? ;/

If not why not?

 

[ViolentPanda]

So like now I notice Israel is withdrawing from Gaza and the Palestinians are celebrating

Any 'anti-Zionists' support this? Or is it just going to be used as another knife to poke at Israel? I'm not Jewish or Muslim, the settlers and extremist Palestinians seem to be a good match for each other IMO - but yeah, anyone want to give Israel a gold star (no pun intended, eek)? ;/

If not why not?

I'm happy about the withdrawal, but a "gold star", why?
People shouldn't be rewarded for fulfilling what was anyway an obligation.

It's realpolitik on Israel's part; withdraw from the enclave it is easiest to decamp from, and then focus on reinforcing the settlements in Jerusalem with more "facts on the ground".
That isn't cynicism talking, btw, it's happening right now.

 

[asdf man]

Both sides seem to have 'obligations', I guess I was right

 

[ViolentPanda]

Both sides seem to have 'obligations', I guess I was right

Israel's "obligations" are mandated by UN Security Council resolutions.

I'm not aware of any of the same incumbent on the Palestinians.

I guess you were only half right.

 

[asdf man]

So there's never been a UN resolution even implying that the Palestinians should stop suicide bombings in Israel?

 

[ViolentPanda]

So there's never been a UN resolution even implying that the Palestinians should stop suicide bombings in Israel?

Erm, the UN is an organisation known as the UNITED NATIONS. It's members comprise NATION STATES. The state of Israel, along with others, has effectively blocked the formation of a Palestinian NATION STATE for nearly 60 years.

Why would the UN pass a resolution when there would be no NATION STATE for them to enact it on or sanction for non-compliance?

Also, if you'd engaged in a bit of contemplation you'd realise that as individual Palestinians self-detonating doesn't come under the rubric of state action, then even if the UN did have a power of sanction, it is only applicable to the state and not to individuals, over whom they generally only have a power of censure.