Why is Che such a hero for many on the left?

[isitme]

Well I was ''labour scum'', when it seemed the Tories would rule for ever.
When younger, I worked in a huge warehouse unloading lorries at the time of the 87 election.
The workforce was as working class as you could get.

Out of about 80 people on my shift, there were two of us voting labour, the rest, everyone of them voting Tory.
The two of us were jeered for voting labour, they had been bought off by the 2p tax cut bribe.

It was the ''loads of money'' 80's. When I suggested helping the unemployed, I was greeted with laughter, my workmates considered the unemployed scum.
I supported the miners strike earlier on(despite being led by a Marxist prick), then in a different job, I must have been the only person in my workplace who did, as well as amongst my friends.

All those jeering Tory voters lost their jobs a few years later, the irony hey?
The Tories look to be set for power, maybe for ten years.
The younger posters on here will find out the difference between labour and the Tories.

look butchers. a new mate for you

he sees through everything and realises it's all about pamphlets and political meetings in empty colleges

 

[JimW]

Did Che execute a child, or children?
If so, has this been forgiven by his supporters, as so it seems, Che being a homophobic racist?

What's your point? "Che Guevara was a bad man and thus those who have subsequently used his image are tantamount to racist homophobes"? Possibly the most pointless and trite observation possible to make about the phenomenon. Well done.
So far, seems you've made the astounding discovery that people idolise figures who on closer inspection don't meet the criteria they are now professed to represent. Heard of Winston Churchill? Welcome to history.

 

[isitme]

Whta exactly was the problem with my use of the term here



It's hardly a contentious point is it? That they're buying into an image of radical chic based on no knowledge or no politics - an image - due to their own distance from real radical politics in their own lifes?

he/she didn't ask why che guevara is popular to middle class europeans, the question was why he is an icon to many of the left

you can talk till the cows come home about middle class europeans but it isn't the answer to anything

 

[butchersapron]

he/she didn't ask why che guevara is popular to middle class europeans, he asked why he is an icon to many of the left

I'm not him, you realise that. You explained what you saw as che's appeal, i replied by saying that had nothing to with my post that you were replying to (it didn't).

Then you spat your dummy because i said midde class, of course a class that doesn't exist and has had no influence on any events ever - which you predicatbly read as meaning you. You personally, not a subsection of the wider population that massively expanded at the time of the height of che's popularity. You lazy arrogant tit.

 

[isitme]

why did i see a che guevara poster in a chinese students house when i went to play football with some middle class chinese last week? us this positive or negative to china's claims to still be a socialist coutry?

 

[JimW]

There's been a play of his life doing the rounds the last few years (here in China): http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDcxNDM4NTI=.html (v syrupy song warning)
Not bothered seeing it myself tho they put it on just down road (literally). Paen to lost idealism, apparently.
ETA: Shit, it's more than the song, it's the whole play. They've just said "People keep repeating this name 'Che' because it represents a kind of purity - a purity of the spirit" Not sure I can be arsed with the rest.

 

[Kanda]

I'm not him, you realise that. You explained what you saw as che's appeal, i replied by saying that had nothing to with my post that you were replying to (it didn't).

Then you spat your dummy because i said midde class, of course a class that doesn't exist and has had no influence on any events ever - which you predicatbly read as meaning you. You personally, not a subsection of the wider population that massively expanded at the time of the height of che's popularity. You lazy arrogant tit.

Probably cos people are used to you attacking them to make a point, that's why they take it personally to be honest...

 

[butchersapron]

An effect that ninjaboy is presumably unware of on his interent peranbulations.

 

[isitme]

I'm not him, you realise that. You explained what you saw as che's appeal, i replied by saying that had nothing to with my post that you were replying to (it didn't).

Then you spat your dummy because i said midde class, of course a class that doesn't exist and has had no influence on any events ever - which you predicatbly read as meaning you. You personally, not a subsection of the wider population that massively expanded at the time of the height of che's popularity. You lazy arrogant tit.

it's all you ever say

you hint towards something interesting there about the link between the expansion of the middle class (which i don't agree with but would be interesting to discuss) after just sitting there going 'oh middle class, etc

why didn't you just say that in the first place?

 

[butchersapron]

I didn't just go oh middle class - i never do, and it's certainly not all i ever say. That's what you thought that i said becuse you misread a shorthand for a normal accepted cultural history as meaning you and your parents - you alone!

Ninjaboy gets offended on the internet, do me a fucking favour. Please.

 

[JimW]

And further to butcher's point - interesting that this fresh popularity coincides with the emergence of a new middle class in China - the types who've written and performed this play.

 

[isitme]

There's been a play of his life doing the rounds the last few years (here in China): http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDcxNDM4NTI=.html (v syrupy song warning)
Not bothered seeing it myself tho they put it on just down road (literally). Paen to lost idealism, apparently.
ETA: Shit, it's more than the song, it's the whole play. They've just said "People keep repeating this name 'Che' because it represents a kind of purity - a purity of the spirit" Not sure I can be arsed with the rest.

the amount of rich kids i meet who fucking LOVE mao as well

hujintao is fucking clever whatever else he is. he seems to have repackaged communism as a way to creating a chinese middle class.

 

[TAE]

The original article was on Harry's Place. Sonny is labour scum, not BNP.

Close enough these days.

 

[isitme]

I didn't just go oh middle class - i never do, and it's certainly not all i ever say. That's what you thought that i said becuse you misread a shorthand for a normal accepted cultural history as meaning you and your parents - you alone!

Ninjaboy gets offended on the internet, do me a fucking favour. Please.

you always say. oh middle class. like middle class people do this, working class people do that

'che guevara is a hero for the european middle class'

but if you look at the fact that che guevara is and was generally looked at affectionately by the european middle and working class, what is the point in saying middle class except to exclude prince harry? and he probably has a tshirt....

bob marley was also loved by the european middle class for his message. and working class

and there isn't a normal accepted cultural history

 

[butchersapron]

Looked on affectionately by the european w/c? Despite you rubbishing this idea in your first stroppy reply to me? Get your story straight.

No there isn't an uncontested cultural history, but i've yet to hear one that didn't place che's shallow european popularity with the expanding midde class. Have you? You even repeated their myth almost word for word in your first post.

 

[TAE]

In any case I'm pretty sure he would turn in his grave if he knew how his image had been commercialised and sold on countless T-shirts & posters.

 

[Kanda]

Looked on affectionately by the european w/c? Despite you rubbishing this idea in your first stroppy reply to me? Get your story straight.

No there isn't an uncontested cultural history, but i've yet to hear one that didn't place che's shallow european popularity with the expanding midde class. Have you? You even repeated their myth almost word for word in your first post.

Should everything be belittled if someone middle class likes it?

 

[butchersapron]

wtf has that got to do with me or my post?

 

[Kanda]

wtf has that got to do with me or my post?

Just a simple question.

 

[butchersapron]

But what has it got to do with me or my post? It didn't argue such a thing. It's bizzare.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Che's real popularity lies with the poor and working class in the developing world, most notably Latin America - banners of him feature very prominantly on protests by the campesinos and urban poor out there. That's why pro-imperialists like Edmund Standing and Harry's Place hate him so much. I very much look forward to the day when they all get shot without judicial process after the revolution.

 

[Kanda]

But what has it got to do with me or my post? It didn't argue such a thing. It's bizzare.

It's me asking you that question, not saying it's relevant.

 

[butchersapron]

It's me asking you that question, not saying it's relevant.

Then wtf are you doing asking me such stupid questions as

Should everything be belittled if someone middle class likes it?

 

[isitme]

i did my best to put che guevara's appeal to people who don't read books

he did write some good poems, and he won some wars

against gangsters to boot

you could put him in the tradition of folk heroes

 

[Kanda]

Then wtf are you doing asking me such stupid questions as

Why not just answer?

 

[butchersapron]

Because it's insulting to us both.

 

[Kanda]

How so?

 

[butchersapron]

This so:

Should everything be belittled if someone middle class likes it?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

it's not hero worship. he stayed in cuba for a few years after the revolution then left

he was minister for a couple of different things but was rubbish at it

he was a shit politician. he did win a couple of wars tho. he was quite good at winning wars and writing poems

that's the appeal

This is like a backtrack, plus a sideways jog to the sideline.

 

[Kanda]

This so: