Why I ignore Palestine/Israel threads/news...

[hipipol]

Rachman

You use the word Arabs - not "Palestinians" - when you are not sarcastically responding to Moonos posts and blame them for being reluctant to give away 40% of their their lands in 1919 (Turned down the offer of 60% of arable land, FFS why should they give away any? Why would they not be pissed off about it?)
So equally that means that Jews - not "Israelis" - stole Arab lands.
So using your logic, all Arabs are at fault for being ungrateful but all Jews are theives
You are utterly mad
Two rooms of books and not a fucking drop of sense have you managed to extract from them

 

[ska invita]

America merely wants the lowest risk scenario and Israel contributes to this objective.

incidentally, America never merely wants anything....

 

[rhys gethin]

Ryhys: Your comparing Zionists to Nazis is atrocious and immature.

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Why? Zionism was a special form of assimilationism, copying all that was worst about the Goyim, and Germany was the central model. It has achieved the amazing feat of reviving a dislike of Jewish people Hitler had utterly destroyed, and does NOTHING to benefit anyone but the sort of people who supported Hitler. This colonial regime will grow more and more extreme - like the Nazis - and - like the Nazis - provoke more and more violent opposition from the oppressed. What on EARTH is the point of it?

 

[rachamim18]

HipiPol: "Giveing away 40% of their land in 1919..." Except that there has never been a nation called "Palestine." In fact, those Arabs living there who were offered that deal were known simply asd "Southern Syrians" if by any appellation other than a tribal name.


They were lucky to get any offer in light of all the other Arab nations being created around them.

Israelis did not steal any lands as all land belonging to pre stahood Israel were LEGALLY purchased from the deeded owner. Unlike the local Arabs who merely existed [almost entirely] as squatters.


I use the word Arab instead of "Palestinian." No, hardly ever but I DO always use parentheses when mentioning "Palestinians." Prior to 48, all inhabitants of the British Manadate were known as such. As for the Arabs...What unique attribute do they have the differentiates them from their other Arab neighbours? A special food? Song? Poets? Artists? History? Religion? nothing unique separates them from any other Arab group. The thwo constanants they pronounce differently is shared by all Syrians and alot of Lebanese and Egyptians so cut the dialect track now.

Rhys:Labeling Zionism an assimilationist movement shows a special brand of ignorance where the ideology is concerned. It is the opposite, if anything. It was a rejection of assimilation. try reading both Hess and Herz'l.


Zionism is responsible for igniting the passions Hitler inspired? Merely you and a bunck of inbred racists feel that way so if that is who you wnjoy sharing ideas with, go for it.


Israelis not a "colnialist regime." Israel, of all mid-Eastern nations has an actual historical pretext for its existence.

 

[rhys gethin]

rachamim - I've found that when zionists start on the 'racist' or 'anti-semite' gambit, all rational discussion ceases. On all known criteria Israel is a colonial regime which has driven out many of the original inhabitants to get a settler majority. End of story.

 

[zion]

Rachamim,

Except that there has never been a nation called "Palestine." In fact, those Arabs living there who were offered that deal were known simply asd "Southern Syrians" if by any appellation other than a tribal name.

I've heard this bogus, semantic argument a hundred times. As if it mattered.

Let's say that a whole bunch of Moroccans came into southern Spain in 1948 to settle on that land and take some of it from the people then living there. It wouldn't matter a bit if the people they took it from didn't have their own country at that point. It would still, on an individual basis, be their land and not the Moroccans'. Saying to them, "You're lucky to get any offer at all, because you can always live in northern Spain", doesn't exactly make it better either.

If then these southern Spaniards, over the next sixty years, developed more of a sense of themselves as "Andalucians", as people who had a unique historical experience with respect to the Moroccans who had come to live in southern Spain, then who would you be to tell them that their sense of themselves as a distinct nation was invalid? I don't go around telling Southern folk that their sense of themselves as different from Northerners is not valid just because they don't currently have their own independent country. Ditto Kurds, Chechens, Tatars and so on.

Palestinians do have a distinct history, distinct poetry and distinct art, shaped by their experience with the State of Israel. At this point in history, that's not something you can wish away by using quotation marks.

 

[rachamim18]

Blkair is retarded. Do not give the "PAlestinian" 96% of the "West Bank" [plus 4% of offset Israeli land] because it is not connected to negotiation? Tell you waht, when his hids are tdained in respirators and kevlar at age 4 I'll take his splendid advice.