Why I am staying home tonight

[Derian]

Nasty stuff, sounds awfull. In my expirience gay men can behave appalingly towards women. I have been in lots of gay bars / clubs over the years and have often seen women get their boobs grabbed, very odd. I am sure this happens less often in non gay venues.

Anyway I suspect things can only get worse as drinknig increases after this daft law change. Be carefull out there people....

That's totally fucking wrong in my experience. I've NEVER experienced this in gay bars and clubs. In fact, probably the best xmas eve I've ever spent was in g.a.y bar a couple of years ago. How dare you generalise about gay people in this way - it's just so untrue. Gay bars and clubs are places where straight folk go with their friends knowing that there aren't going to be any incidents like this one.

Homophobic bastard

 

[Derian]

And, erm, after that particular new posts generated outburst, I'll er, just shuffle back to where I belong

TLR - that sounds hideous and you'll be in shock, take care and look after yourself.


Krs - 'pie challenge'



*gets coat and train ticket back to the smoke*

 

[rich!]

Nowadays I like to drink a few guinness and spliff round a few of my mates houses, and we never end up headbutting each other.

hmm.

I think you need more Special Brew, and also you should mix it with (a) sleep deprivation and (b) calvados.

Then you should find you're happily butting.

 

[jæd]

Nasty stuff, sounds awfull. In my expirience gay men can behave appalingly towards women. I have been in lots of gay bars / clubs over the years and have often seen women get their boobs grabbed, very odd. I am sure this happens less often in non gay venues.

Um... sorry but in all the years of gay clubbing I've never heard or seen this. Why would a gay man want to grab a girls tits...? Yes, gay men can be a bit off to women in gay clubs but remember straight girls are there as guests. Many gay men have got fed up of being a zoo for hen nights or girls bitching that there are guys in the ladies...

Personally I tend to polite and nice to girls and, even though most of my friends aren't interested in them, they are too... Of course it can be a bit hard to polite to nth girl who wants to talk about how all gay men are friends and the ins and outs of new Civil Partnership legislation when you are trying to chat up her cute friend...

 

[JTG]

Sorry to hear about that TLR

 

[Sunspots]

I'll probably get lynched for this on here but i will admit this made me giggle. i visualise stuff immediately, sorry.

think of it this way - another funny story to tell over a pint in the pub.

Yeah, right.

And I guess the punchline of this 'funny' story would be:

I got headbutted and now have a big blue lump on my head

Reading the OP, I don't see anything 'funny' about TLR's night out.

 

[toggle]

Um... sorry but in all the years of gay clubbing I've never heard or seen this. Why would a gay man want to grab a girls tits...?

I've had a gay bloke grab me between the legs, and really didn't seem to understand how i could possibly be upset with him, because he'd rather be groping one of my friends.

 

[The Lone Runner]

I'll probably get lynched for this on here but i will admit this made me giggle. i visualise stuff immediately, sorry.

think of it this way - another funny story to tell over a pint in the pub.

next time wear a jumper ffs!!!

What a lovely attitude to have - I'm glad my misfortune gave you a good laugh WANKER!!!

 

[The Lone Runner]

I expect there were- I was there last night -didnt see TLR though -it was really packed....

I know other people that were there though sos I will ask around... i left at about 2am but my mates stayed on so maybe they saw something...

I think the only people who saw were the other people this guy was with - one of them came up to me after to apologise and said that this guy was "really drunk - and never normally does things like that" some comfort!

If any of your mates saw a girl crying and holding and ice bag on her eye - that was me.... loads of people were being really nice to me - the lovely man who went and got me some ice and the guy who made sure the *other* man got kicked out.

I think I will try and forget about it now - put it down to the fact that this guy was a worthless drunken idiot.
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[Zaskar]

That's totally fucking wrong in my experience. I've NEVER experienced this in gay bars and clubs. In fact, probably the best xmas eve I've ever spent was in g.a.y bar a couple of years ago. How dare you generalise about gay people in this way - it's just so untrue. Gay bars and clubs are places where straight folk go with their friends knowing that there aren't going to be any incidents like this one.

Homophobic bastard

Calling me homophobic is like calling the pope a devil worshipper duckie.... I merely relate my expiriences frankly and openly. How dare you imply I am generalising, I was quite clearly speaking from myu opwn expirience. It's probably because all my female friends have such great tits that people just cant help themselves.

Apologise or I will be cross a bit...

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Actually I think it might be a reflection of the genre of clubs I am speaking off, you know the sort..... I tend to favour the 'anything goes' style of clubbing, in that context booby grabbing is practically courtship with a chaperone and flowers... !

 

[Derian]

Calling me homophobic is like calling the pope a devil worshipper duckie.... I merely relate my expiriences frankly and openly. How dare you imply I am generalising, I was quite clearly speaking from myu opwn expirience. It's probably because all my female friends have such great tits that people just cant help themselves.

Apologise or I will be cross a bit...

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Actually I think it might be a reflection of the genre of clubs I am speaking off, you know the sort..... I tend to favour the 'anything goes' style of clubbing, in that context booby grabbing is practically courtship with a chaperone and flowers... !

Ah, right. So the Queens Schilling is in that genre of club?

 

[jæd]

I've had a gay bloke grab me between the legs, and really didn't seem to understand how i could possibly be upset with him, because he'd rather be groping one of my friends.

Hmmm... Still can't understnd why a gay guy would grope a girl... If you're trying to get into a cute boys pants you don't annoy his gf by grabbing her in appropiate places...

Perhaps its because girls take this more seriously and gay guys don't, and so don't realise the probelm. I've had guys grab my crotch on occasion but I wouldn't scream sexual assult...

(but yes, pissed gay boys can be annoying too)

 

[jæd]

I merely relate my expiriences frankly and openly. How dare you imply I am generalising,

If ypu are assuming that most gay guys are like the guys you describe then you are genralising. I wouldn't call you homophobic, just a bit misguided...

Actually I think it might be a reflection of the genre of clubs I am speaking off, you know the sort..... I tend to favour the 'anything goes' style of clubbing, in that context booby grabbing is practically courtship with a chaperone and flowers... !

Well,,, I go to full on, very hardcore clubs where most girls aren't allowed and I've seen every damn thing done on the dance floor. And I've never heard of any sexual assults on patrons. I've never been to the Queens Shilling but it does sound the type of place where the occasional straight boy might go. I've had homophobic shit from straight boys in gay clubs so I wouldn't be suprised by any reports of girls getting hassle.

 

[toggle]

Hmmm... Still can't understnd why a gay guy would grope a girl... If you're trying to get into a cute boys pants you don't annoy his gf by grabbing her in appropiate places...

Perhaps its because girls take this more seriously and gay guys don't, and so don't realise the probelm. I've had guys grab my crotch on occasion but I wouldn't scream sexual assult...

(but yes, pissed gay boys can be annoying too)

I didn't scream sexual assault, It really wasn't the sort of place to make a scene, or the sort of place to behave like that either. I just explained to him that i didn't consider it the behavior of a someone that i would be willing to consider as a freind, i din't expect a friend to grope me, even when i was certain they weren't interested; his bf, who was a good mate, appologised to me and promiced to have words with him about that. Probably had words with him about other things as well.

 

[Cadmus]

What a lovely attitude to have - I'm glad my misfortune gave you a good laugh WANKER!!!

im aware you had a rough nite and im not insanely happy about it nor i had 'a good laugh', please chill.

try and stay positive ok? it's not the end of the world...

peace

 

[munkeeunit]

I mean, I cannot imagine anyone behaving in such an unacceptable manner under the influence of MDMA and such like.

Well, people on mdma might not feel much like headbutting each other, but to me, in many ways, it's just the flip side of the violent drunk.

If people can't bring themselves to hug me without taking a substance which forces their brain to release it's serotonin stores, then really, don't bother hugging me.

I really can't stand the artificiality of extasy culture, and the sullen moody come downs which really say everything there is to say about the plastic, emotional consumerist, artificiality of it all.

Doesn't deserve a headbut though. Just deserves to be put in its place as a crap drug for people who, for reasons known only to themselves*, need to force their brains to be nice to people.

*(or not, as the case may be, because they haven't bothered asking themseves that question.)


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PS EDIT: I'll give any of you a hug anytime. If you'll let me. Unless you're on E, in which case I'll take any hug requests with a pinch of drug induced salt.

 

[on_the_fly]

(((((((TLR))))))))

Awwww sweetie!

Dunno how anyone could even consider being the slightest bit agro with you...you look like an angel!

I'm not surprised about the shilling though. It used to be one of my fav haunts a few years back...drinking hole before spending the rest of the night at vibes. It started to get a bit dodgy and we decided to give the place a miss. Still that was one hell of a hectic night you had!

When Isambard gets back from Oz why dont you join us in a boogie at vibes one weekend?

I'll have to drag bombscare kicking and screaming in there but KRS and hammy will come quietly

Dunno about the rest of Bristol crew though...espesh that juttug

Ok Fizzer miss out your Dancing tutor

 

[jæd]

Doesn't deserve a headbut though. Just deserves to be put in its place as a crap drug for people who, for reasons known only to themselves*, need to force their brains to be nice to people.

I wouldn't label e as a "crap drug", just that like all drugs it should be treated with respect. And, like all drugs, if you can't handle the effects don't take it.

I tend to have a lot of distain for anyone who can't - if you're uncrontrolably drunk or twatted then please keep away from me...! You took the drug - you deal with your problems, not me. (Although of course if someones in genuine trouble I'll help them but not enjoy it)

(But it could be that I'm on a comedown... )

 

[munkeeunit]

I wouldn't label e as a "crap drug", just that like all drugs it should be treated with respect. And, like all drugs, if you can't handle the effects don't take it.

I tend to have a lot of distain for anyone who can't - if you're uncrontrolably drunk or twatted then please keep away from me...! You took the drug - you deal with your problems, not me. (Although of course if someones in genuine trouble I'll help them but not enjoy it)

(But it could be that I'm on a comedown... )

The explosion of people taking Prozac and people taking MDMA seem to me to have a common root, and that's a society of people which won't deal with it's problems, and instead reaches for the nearest pill.

Prozac and E are, after all, virtually identical substances. I'm sure they have their place, but the current place that both E and Prozac seem to inhabit is one of underlying depression which is masked but not dealt with.

Anyone who feels unhappy and wants a good old-fashioned-non-drug-induced-hug is very welcome to ask.

 

[jæd]

The explosion of people taking Prozac and people taking MDMA seem to me to have a common root, and that's a society of people which won't deal with it's problems, and instead reaches for the nearest pill.

I would've thought that there's a difference in someone who takes Prozac and someone who takes e on a Saturday night.

 

[munkeeunit]

I would've thought that there's a difference in someone who takes Prozac and someone who takes e on a Saturday night.

The difference broadly being that Prozac is slow release mdma and E is fast release mdma. People who take E every week are managing to get through the week, but will soon be Prozac candidates if they don't address the serotonin imbalance they are living with.

Serotonin imbalance is a pretty clear indicator of underlying depression. Hence the come down, which mimics (or reveals) that imbalance.

(No, I'm not a chemist, but don't let that be a reason to ignore what I'm saying.)

EDIT: If you've reached the point where you're miserable all week, and find that even taking E doesn't do the trick anymore, then chances are you've done some pretty serious damage to your brains abililty to produce and release serotonin. Either that or you're underlying depression, and the associated serotonin deficiency, has come full circle and can no-longer be masked. Take E, yes, but it is not a drug to be treated flippantly. Extasy casualities are the most miserable of people you are ever likely to come across.

 

[jæd]

The difference broadly being that Prozac is slow release mdma and E is fast release mdma. People who take E every week are managing to get through the week, but will soon be Prozac candidates if they don't address the serotonin imbalance they are living with.

Well -- if you did it constantly every week but I always have at least two months off it each year. (Usually when I got bored of the emotional swings...)

But I'm quite well balanced mentally and I would never touch any drug if I wasn't.

Serotonin imbalance is a pretty clear indicator of underlying depression. Hence the come down, which mimics (or reveals) that imbalance.

Yep, but since I'm aware of this I always treat my emotions (if I have any) when I'm coming down as suspect. I also avoid making any emotional decisions on anything to after I'm back to normal. The main prolem I have is dealing with people who don't do pills and don't have comedowns. Most of my friends do and so they know why I avoid people on Monday and Tuesdays.

Comedown is a bit handy in that it means that if I ever suffer from depression I'll be able to recognise it as such. (Though I'm not sure if it would "feel" the same way)

 

[munkeeunit]

Glad to hear you're taking it sensibly.

I think anyone who takes E every week is either heading for a fall, or has already had one. Anyone who takes any drug with a flippant disregard for the possible consequences is pretty likely to suffer those consequences.

As a dope smoker, this includes soft drugs like cannabis. A lot of heavy dope users have had years of doing little but smoking dope, while being in denial of how fucked up their life has become. Done that....

Be careful people. Just because the goverment spreads misinformation about drugs doesn't make any drug inherently safe for heavy and regular use. (I can hear people saying 'yeah, I know!' while continuing to fuck up in denial of that.)