Why haven't we slagged this lot off yet?

[DotCommunist]

So it's better to have people who are fat and miserable, who have higher incidence of chronic health conditions, and whom will have shorter lives.

Interesting. Compassionate too. Without X fuck it, let people have bad health and die young.

Prescott is fat, appears happy and will suffer the same health issues and shorter lifespan.

I'd suggest the fat isn't the driving force behind the unhappiness.

 

[kyser_soze]

Prescott is fat, appears happy and will suffer the same health issues and shorter lifespan.

I'd suggest the fat isn't the driving force behind the unhappiness.

So you think someone who lived with an eating disorder, and still clearly has issues with their diet, is a happy person?

Again, compassionate.

 

[treelover]

KS, they are going to cut benefits for many of these people which will mean even less money to change diet, etc. I don't have the answers to the obesity epidemic, but the 'food police' are certainly not the way, not only that, can you imagine what will happen to these 'officials' when they turn up on a estate or a city centre, etc with that message?

 

[DotCommunist]

So you think someone who lived with an eating disorder, and still clearly has issues with their diet, is a happy person?

Again, compassionate.

Prescott appears to be happy to me- loving wife, good career and all that. Maybe he has body-image issues and moments of depression and sadness about his size, yeah. But Why is it an issue for this low income family, whereas not for him. Paternalistic altruism eh? doesn't cut both ways, just down on the feckless proles.

 

[Fedayn]

So it's better to have people who are fat and miserable, who have higher incidence of chronic health conditions, and whom will have shorter lives.

Interesting. Compassionate too. Without X fuck it, let people have bad health and die young.

Has Zachor taken over your critical faculties?

 

[kyser_soze]

Here's a simple question.

If the mass w/c can't take control of the food they eat, how are they ever going to move forward to taking control of wider areas of their lives?

But Why is it an issue for this low income family, whereas not for him.

Where do I say it isn't an issue for him? Or that what I'm talking about is only limited to 'the proles'?

 

[SpookyFrank]

I don't have the answers to the obesity epidemic, but the 'food police' are certainly not the way, not only that, can you imagine what will happen to these 'officials' when they turn up on a estate or a city centre, etc with that message?

They would, quite literally, get eaten alive

 

[DotCommunist]

Here's a simple question.

If the mass w/c can't take control of the food they eat, how are they ever going to move forward to taking control of wider areas of their lives?



Where do I say it isn't an issue for him? Or that what I'm talking about is only limited to 'the proles'?

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in the context of the mail article linked Kyser- it's the usual bile from them that doesn't cut both ways. The issues of healthy eating and the like are largely focused at those feckless poor. Mkieth, Olliver et al and the old 'microchips and sunny d' slurs. It's not hard to see the pattern.

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Education, time and education. Parecon suggests ways this time and education might be funded.

 

[kyser_soze]

Right so in order to educate people to eat properly we need a completely different socioeconomic system.

 

[DotCommunist]

Thats not what I said is it though? 'Parecon suggests ideas' is not the same as 'we need a completely different socio-economic system' (although we do, for many reasons)

But the idea, say that employers (and or gov,.) might offer healthy living/eating educational programs to it's workers and the families of it's workers. Out of their own pockets. Why not?

 

[kyser_soze]

No problems there - but ultimately isn't the issue of paternalism down to X telling Y that something is bad for them? Parecon doesn't address this issue, it merely changes the context of the paternalism.

 

[DotCommunist]

No problems there - but ultimately isn't the issue of paternalism down to X telling Y that something is bad for them? Parecon doesn't address this issue, it merely changes the context of the paternalism.

offering the education and information isn't the same as taking steps to enforce attendance to them. For those unhappy with being a fattie or a pissheid the services and help would be there, regardless of socio-economic standing. If they are happy as they are then, well, then fine.
The issue here-one stoked by the mail and some m/c sorts- is that fatness or alcoholism is only treated as an issue when it comes to the poorer. Hence the recent idea about pricing the alcohol by unit.

 

[Fedayn]

Here's a simple question.

If the mass w/c can't take control of the food they eat, how are they ever going to move forward to taking control of wider areas of their lives?

Do you think that ordinary people can simple decide what they eat irrrespective of finacial restraints?We live in a society where people's living stabdards are being eroded, their working hourse extended and work lives worsened. People on the lowest wages are under attack more and more, having their lives scrutinised more and more. The ability to eat healthily-which I agree with-isn't a simple yes or no choice? There's a multitude of reasons for the food on oiur tables. Finger wagging by people on astronomical wages at people who haven't got the ability to make those 'choices' easily won't work. The ability to make healthier food choices runs alongside expanding wealfare provosion, better food production, wealth redistribution, shorter working-week, better and more varied shopping outlets.

 

[Marsh]

Originally Posted by Zachor

I personally think this family are a bunch of lazy fuckers who should be forcibly made to contribute something to society

what do you contribute to society?

Apparently selling arms to third world tyrannies and trolling on U75.

Fuck all then.

 

[Cobbles]

The issue here-one stoked by the mail and some m/c sorts- is that fatness or alcoholism is only treated as an issue when it comes to the poorer. Hence the recent idea about pricing the alcohol by unit.

No, the issue here is that these fat slobs are deemed to be unable to work due to their own lack of self control so that taxpayers have to fund their every slobbering ingestion.

Presumably they've managed to use the "Human Rights" card to persuade their social worker to provide them with a dumper truck to take them down to the Broo/health tribunal on the rare occasions when they have an interview. I hope that we don't also have to shell out for a DVD recorder so that they aren't unduly traumatised by having to miss an episode of Blue Peter.

 

[DotCommunist]

Oh, choke on your idiots bile, you thorough waste of skin.

 

[Fuchs66]

Indeed - while the youngest daughter is a trainee hairdresser who receives money from a hardship fund for low-income students

I'm not slagging them off for being somewhat chubby, BUT since when have trainy hairdressers been students?

 

[_angel_]

I'm not slagging them off for being somewhat chubby, BUT since when have trainy hairdressers been students?

Since whenever they went to college. Where do you think they learn to do hairdressing?????

 

[DotCommunist]

I'm not slagging them off for being somewhat chubby, BUT since when have trainy hairdressers been students?

NVQ or GNVQ qualification from a college- post 16 education is Further Education. Student level. A levels, NVQ's and GNVQ's. Higher education is degree level.

Either way anybody studying post GCSE is a student.

 

[N_igma]

Obeseity may run in the genes for many people but it's a bit silly hiding behind that excuse while at the same time eating junk food. They should get off the couch and onto a treadmill or something.

 

[treelover]

Zachor is a sort of Arms Trader, ffs!

 

[Fuchs66]

NVQ or GNVQ qualification from a college- post 16 education is Further Education. Student level. A levels, NVQ's and GNVQ's. Higher education is degree level.

Either way anybody studying post GCSE is a student.

Wierd, was different in my day

 

[Blagsta]

I agree with you that the US system doesn't really work properly but there must be some way of increasing the dieteary health of those on low incomes. Just chucking money at people will not work sadly.

you're a porker iirc

 

[Fuchs66]

Since whenever they went to college. Where do you think they learn to do hairdressing?????

In the countries I've lived in hairdressers learn hairdressing as apprentices at (wait for it) a hairdressers Not exactly something I'd have thought was suitable for a full time education course

 

[Blagsta]

What, so suddenly preventative health care - of which having a healthy diet is a big part - is wrong? It's wrong to try and get people out of eating badly?

It's not about the food though is it.

 

[Blagsta]

So you think someone who lived with an eating disorder, and still clearly has issues with their diet, is a happy person?

Again, compassionate.

Eating disorders aren't really about food.

 

[Blagsta]

Right so in order to educate people to eat properly we need a completely different socioeconomic system.

argggh

*bangs head*

 

[sleaterkinney]

I agree with you that the US system doesn't really work properly but there must be some way of increasing the dieteary health of those on low incomes. Just chucking money at people will not work sadly.

Didn't you fancy larger women anyway?.

 

[_angel_]

In the countries I've lived in hairdressers learn hairdressing as apprentices at (wait for it) a hairdressers Not exactly something I'd have thought was suitable for a full time education course

Hair and beauty courses are common at colleges these days. More and more things that were apprenticeships only are being taught at colleges for qualifications these days.

 

[jayeola]

I think that this must be a ploy to get that girlie back into the headlines. A non-story. Maybe she is trying to get her publicity up in the hope that she will fill Jade Goody's "space" after she dies.