why has freedom of speech become the home to absolute turds

Discussion in 'theory, philosophy & history' started by likesfish, Nov 25, 2017.

  1. Pac man

    Pac man Well-Known Member

    I started out the day in a great mood, went to the gym for a run and i now feel deppressed and like shit again thanks to you. Its not on.
     
  2. Pac man

    Pac man Well-Known Member

    Thankyou, i wont be intimidated by him/her i will pull them up everytime they try to upset or undermie me. I dont mind being pulled up on things, but hes not interested in helping you understand or clarify, he just wants to belittle as is clear by his style and emojos.
     
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  3. MadeInBedlam

    MadeInBedlam Arm the mentally ill

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    Let’s get that drama triangle up again.
     
  4. krtek a houby

    krtek a houby how's it going to end?

    Anyway, back on topic. Freedom of speech is a luxury we have, when you consider people are being imprisoned and tortured in parts of the world for expressing their views. So, as much as some of it annoys the living piss out of me,I'd rather we had it than restrictions.
     
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  5. Pac man

    Pac man Well-Known Member

    Jesus the last thing i want is drama..i just want to try and fit in. Not much to ask. Leaving the thread now, plesae dont respond pickmans.
     
  6. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    yeh. and you know what editor told you. here's a tip: if you think you might post something which you're unsure about, check the facts so you don't do yourself down.
     
  7. krtek a houby

    krtek a houby how's it going to end?

    Which one are you again, Clarkson or Hammond?
     
  8. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    these would be the emojos i haven't used on this thread.

    e2a: and i have explained, i demonstrated that the hra is an act of the uk parliament. i have differentiated between eu law and the echr. i can explain and clarify it, but sadly i cannot understand it for you.
     
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  9. Poi E

    Poi E Pessimism: a valuable protection against quackery.

    :cool:
     
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  10. MadeInBedlam

    MadeInBedlam Arm the mentally ill

    Car programs are dull as fuck. What’s the reference?
     
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  11. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    which one are you, bodie or doyle?
     
  12. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    The issue is surely that anyone can say pretty much anything they want these days, but that how this is distributed and the potential adverse effects are quite varied?

    Anyone can knock up a website or social media account and say literally anything they want. If it breaks the law and they get identified then they might get their collar felt.

    But.

    People like Hopkins and Milo seem able to spout all kinds of hateful shit in the mainstream and get paid for it. Anne Coulter was interviewed on the Today Programme this morning and was banging on about the incompatibility of Muslims and immigrants with western values.

    Whereas the rest of us have to keep some of our political views quiet, or write them under pseudonyms because it might come back to bite us on the arse in terms of current or future employment.
     
  13. krtek a houby

    krtek a houby how's it going to end?

    He will because he has to have the last word.
    I guess because there's a hungry audience for the kind of shite they spout. It's depressing to think of the shitloads of money they make out of being unpleasant. And promoting falsehoods. It doesn;t matter how often their lies are exposed - their audience just doesn't care.
     
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  14. RainbowTown

    RainbowTown Well-Known Member

    Freedom of Thought is a very wonderful thing. But when transferred into Freedom of Speech, that's when it can become problematic. And social media (and the Internet in general) is ample proof of that. Indeed the perfect proof of that. It's like observing a hapless and symbiotic trade off between those who perceive themselves as morally upstanding and those who revel in their own nastiness and ugliness. For me, there's ultimately no winners, only participants and onlookers locking moral horns in ever-decreasing circles. Reasoned debate is fast disappearing in most walks of life now, I think. Freedom of Speech has been replaced with My Freedom of Speech and behind the mask of so-called mutual respectfulness lies an unedifying intolerance and spitefulness. And I fear it's only going to get even worse than it is now.
     
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  15. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Mutual ignore means you don't quote or reference the other person. Please stick to that. Thanks.
     
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  16. Pac man

    Pac man Well-Known Member

    editor can you close my account please. Pickmanms try and lead by example, be a role model for others, instead of the bully you clearly are..you have belittled me, claiming i know nothing about law, uncalled for, stating my level would embarrass an A level student, wow im a bit rusty. ive never met anyone as childish. You did the same yesterday about my poem, jusrt belittled me. Anybody so abusive in real life and thakfully i dont EVER meet anyone like you, id literally rip your fucking head of and shit down your throat, thats right internet hardman, had enough editor shut the account for fuck sake..if i have to suffer this vile cunt again ill hunt him down and feed him his liver.
     
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  17. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    yeh. compare my declaration you know little of the law because of your contention the hra applies abroad with your i'll literally rip your fucking head off and shit down your throat. on the one hand a conclusion based on evidence, on the other threats of violence. what was that about internet hardmen?
     
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  18. twentythreedom

    twentythreedom Seagulls are cunts

    Free speech :facepalm:
     
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  19. MadeInBedlam

    MadeInBedlam Arm the mentally ill


    :confused:
     
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  20. likesfish

    likesfish officaly hardest and most tooled up urbanite:)

    Some Yanks have this weird obsession that the Huge US military machine shouldnt be used against them maybe its the civil war and then little rock when the 82nd airborne stopped them throwing rocks at black kids:hmm:.

    Most countries assume if things break down terribly the last resort is troops on the streets only certain yanks think they should be able to form militas and rebel against the feds and the million strong army should stay in barracks or join their rebellion :facepalm:.
    Rather than use them for target practice before stopping for a late breakfast:)
     
  21. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    You know, the professionals
     
  22. MadeInBedlam

    MadeInBedlam Arm the mentally ill

    One of those ‘aware of, but not remotely interested in’ things.

    Worth watching?
     
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  23. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    I think so, yes. There's some episodes on youtube so you can have a free taste there.
     
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  24. snadge

    snadge metal alchemist

    The U75 oppression olympics starts again, facts v feelings, always the fucking same.
     
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  25. MadeInBedlam

    MadeInBedlam Arm the mentally ill

    Will this also be on YouTube?
     
  26. krink

    krink I'll do it this afternoon

    I'm too poor to even have a free youtube account. i think this means i win?
     
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  27. krink

    krink I'll do it this afternoon

    genuine question re free speech in the uk.

    yesterday during the trump/britain first thing on twitter, a few people suggested - one or two actually said outright - that anyone sharing those videos should be arrested. I'm not clued up with the law on this stuff but that can't be correct? you can be arrested for being a racist? is it illegal to have racist beliefs? i mean not actually doing something to another human being but just having the view?

    And then after that, is it illegal in the uk to state these views? one chap on twitter said anyone saying the words "hitler had the right idea" should be in jail. now i'm no liberal when it comes to the fash etc but if we're locking up people for being a racist then I'll never see my entire extended family again and no matter what i still love my mam.

    this is not a question about right and wrong, just what the law says. thanks!
     
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  28. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist specter haunting

    its my understanding that its incitement to racial hatred
    that is the offense and well, I suppose its up to CPS to decide what counts as nickable. Jayda's 'we are at war with islam' apparently is. Thats possibly incitement to religious hatred, but yeah.
     
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  29. krink

    krink I'll do it this afternoon

    I only read the first three paragraphs of that link and i was confused:D slightly edited quote to illustrate;

     
  30. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist specter haunting

    I know right. When I heard the jayda and hubby NI charge I did for a minute think 'well why N ireland and not here when they've talked that trash in england?

    but then I realised that the continuity RUC/NI judiciary probably have a LOT more experience of interpreting that law (incitement to religious hatred) and successfully prosecuting people on it
     
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