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why has freedom of speech become the home to absolute turds

Discussion in 'theory, philosophy & history' started by likesfish, Nov 25, 2017.

  1. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model The word of Sin is Restriction

    what other uk legislation do you believe also applies to france?

    you do know the human rights act is uk legislation, right?
     
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  2. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    The HRA is british legislation - it can't apply to production of magazines published in france can it? French law and european law can.

    Article 10 which you quote only says that limits in expression must be proportionate - not the expression itself.
     
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  3. Pac man

    Pac man Well-Known Member

    Just edited my post to add 19(3) ICCPR. No the HRA is EU law not just UK law, where did you get that idea from???
     
  4. Pac man

    Pac man Well-Known Member

    Whats the difference pray tell?
     
  5. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model The word of Sin is Restriction

    er from the website which says the human rights act is uk law: Human Rights Act 1998

    the hra incorporates the echr into uk law. as you'd know if you knew anything of the subject.
     
  6. Pac man

    Pac man Well-Known Member

    Stop with your bitching sweets lol. No Uk law has to be "read" in accordance with the HRA, its is subject to those Articles, just as all member states are that are members of the Council of Europe. ETA the HRA is part of the European Convention of Human Rights, so its quite pedantic to seperate the two when the principles are the same.
     
  7. newbie

    newbie undisambiguated

    google reveals the charges to be "rebellion, sedition and misuse of public funds" and then says sedition is "conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch." I don't know enough to say how many years they've been doing the speech aspect of that, but it looks like the arrest warrants were issued as a result of their conduct stepping beyond their local government powers.
     
  8. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    What's the difference between a claim that expression has to be proportionate and it not having to be proportionate?
     
  9. Pac man

    Pac man Well-Known Member

    Really? this is getting rather boring now.
     
  10. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model The word of Sin is Restriction

    my sweets are always bitching, chuck

    you're as well-informed on this subject as you doubtless are on the religious festivals of the yakut.
     
  11. Pac man

    Pac man Well-Known Member

    you'll do for me chuck :D
     
  12. Pac man

    Pac man Well-Known Member

    Picmans model you like quoting me before giving me chance to edit or add further explanations, you know i struggle to type and express myself right, weve been here before. I remember a promise to be civil to oneanother, are you a welcher? :(
    And what does pa stand for that you sometimes put after a quote? :hmm:
     
  13. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model The word of Sin is Restriction

    there's no need to bring in vile racial slurs, chuck

    i have been entirely civil to you, so i don't know what you're complaining about
     
  14. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model The word of Sin is Restriction

    the human rights act was passed by the uk parliament to incorporate the echr into uk law. the echr is not eu law, as it was promulgated by the council of europe rather than the eu. the european court which adjudicates human rights cases is nothing to do with the eu either.
     
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  15. Pac man

    Pac man Well-Known Member

    Racial slur? its an old "racing" slur, to welch on a bet..racial slur :thumbs:
     
  16. Pac man

    Pac man Well-Known Member

    As i added in my previous post. Its simply a way of incoproprating the principles concepts and morals from the European Convention of Human Rights into the UK. Those principles and concepts are applicable throughout most of Europe. Im not sure what you mean when you say the European Court is not part of the EU, do you mean the ECJ or the European Court of Human Rights?
     
  17. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model The word of Sin is Restriction

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  18. Spymaster

    Spymaster Cockney Wanker

    It's from "Welsh", the implication being that Welsh people cheat on bets and can't be trusted.
     
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  19. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model The word of Sin is Restriction

    1) you've said above the hra applies to france. do you want to reconsider that?
    2) do you think the european court of justice, the highest court of the european union, is nothing to do with the eu?
     
  20. Pac man

    Pac man Well-Known Member

    1)The concepts and principles are the same hows that for ya.
    2)Just testing you sweets :D
     
  21. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model The word of Sin is Restriction

    the uk has a law on murder, just as the french do. the concepts and principles are the same. do you think the uk law on murder applies to france?
     
  22. Pac man

    Pac man Well-Known Member

    Only English speaking countries use the Common law, so whilst France isnt a common law jurisdicton, many other coutries do apply very similar concepts through the common law on murder, as you know murder has develooped in the UK through the common law and as yet despite requests for legistlation, its been dodged. Now if you dont mind, play time is over..
     
  23. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model The word of Sin is Restriction

    yeh scurry back to the classroom, chuck, don't keep the teacher waiting
     
  24. Pac man

    Pac man Well-Known Member

    This is my classroom and i appreciate the refresher, its been 15 years since i studied law..its good to be part of a community that doesnt judge and likes to help :D Its nice to be nice. You were right about one thing though looking back at European Union Law (which i hated) i got a mark of 40 :facepalm:.

    The 1st year which doesnt count towards your grade, went as follows.
    Jurisprudence 55
    Contractual Obligations 45
    Introduction to Law 46
    Public Law and the Constitution 60
    Criminal Law 52
    Tortious Obligations 58

    year 2
    Property Law 1- Land and Land Law 60
    Property Law 2- Equity and Trusts 50
    Public Law and Administration 62
    European Union Law 40 :D
    Common Law 61
    Family Law 53

    So i really needed to pull it out of the bag to get a 2:1 in my final year. Sadly i had a break down and was suffering with PTSD and other serious Psychiatric issues, as well as caring for my granny with Dementia, plus having one eye..id like to see you do any better under the circumstancer :thumbs:

    Year 3
    Employment Law 66
    Criminal Evidence 67
    Intelectual Property Law 60
    Current Issues In Evidence Law 66
    Restoratative Justice 45 (was gutted about this)
    Medicine, Ethics and the Law 68

    You are free to belittle all you like :D
     
  25. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model The word of Sin is Restriction

    yeh. there's something really rather desperate about pulling out a transcript from 15 years ago to demonstrate knowledge here, in particular when you've declared above that an act of the uk parliament applies to france :facepalm: when you've declared that the echr is eu law :facepalm: you'd really have been better off leaving us in ignorance of your auld degree when you've made errors which would humiliate someone studying 'a' level law.
     
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  26. Pac man

    Pac man Well-Known Member

    Like i said its good to have a refresher, and if you knew ANYTHING about mental illness, youd know that suffering that breakdown cost me a career, a life and a family so with all due respect i couldnt have given a fuck about the law or myself and it took ten years of living in squalar with no support from mental health services left to rot and suffer pain like you cant imagine, because if you could you would show a little more empathy. Its been two years of therapy to get where i am today, and nobody can take away what i did, and trying to belittle me is rather desperate in itself. In fact it comes across as bullying, rude and intimidating, but whatever floats your boat chuck.
     
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  27. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model The word of Sin is Restriction

    you don't know anything of my past, and believe you me i know something of living in squalor with no support from mental health services. however, you don't see me dredge up my qualifications to bolster my claims to authority, particularly where that authority's been undermined by simple errors of fact which i'd expect anyone with any knowledge of the law to know.
     
  28. MadeInBedlam

    MadeInBedlam 'He bloody well thinks he's staff!'

    Since when is it bullying to point out factual errors?
     
  29. Pac man

    Pac man Well-Known Member

    i do have knowledge of the law stop being a bellend, it was a while ago and some areas im more familiar with than others. Like i said, i lost all interest when i lost my family and my career, my life fell apart due to the onset of serious psychiatric illness..i coulndt have given a fuck about the law i was too ill to even express my needs, if it wasnt for my nephews and nices id have topped myself long ago. I brought up my qualifications to show you, because you come acroos as very rude, cowardly and belittling. Wheras i come actoos a polite, honest even if i make mistakes ..what i dont do and would never do is set out to undermine, belittle or intimdate others, either online or in real life. You targeted me ages ago and the Editor warned you never to respond, i gave you a chance and still will, but please be mindful of your posting style when talking with vulnerable adults.
     
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  30. krtek a houby

    krtek a houby The Machine Stops

    He's got form for it, I'm afraid. Put him on ignore. He'll still persist (for his audience) but you don't have to read his shit anymore.

    Sorry about your troubles.
     
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