It's a shame though:- i reckon the real enemy of the jews and palestinians are the non-resident "israelis" who own huge chunks of the businesses and real estate of Israel, while living in America. Take your country back off them, and you might find there''s more than enough to go round, but your politicians have got you all hypnotised by the conflict, so you can't see what's important.
Why don't people insist that the arab countries bordering Israel open their borders?
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nino_savatte
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ZWord said:
Hammer-nail-head.
nino_savatte
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ZWord said:Wow, an accolade. I'm flattered. Thanks Nino
Though I would subsititute the word "Jews" for "Israelis".
Aye, it is the American-Jewish lobby (that is to say the Republican voting, hard right and others) who provide financial sustinence and political succour to the US's overarching ME project. Many of them have been taken in by the 'message' and others regard it as a form of patriotic-religious duty to both the US and Israel.
nino_savatte
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ZWord said:
Well, it is true that American Jews have voted in overwhelming numbers for the Democrats and their contribution to socialist and anarchist causes is without question. Indeed many American Jews were subjected to the attentions of the rabid right because of their principles. The Rosenbergs were not simply traitors in the minds of the US public-at-large; they were Jewish commie traitors, who were part of some vast worldwide conspiracy (cue the USSR).
The shift in thinking on the part of the US Xtian right occured around the late 70's with Reagan's pro-Christian, pro-Israel bandwagoneering, their mythical links to Rapturism and the message of "security". Of course the aims of the fundies/Zionists and the interests of the petrocrats and militarists coincided and the rest, as they say, is history.
RhymnRzn
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I recommend attention to the careful wording in Ezekiel chapter 16 - highlight as you read about Jerusalem, keeping in mind how it is called a daughter of the mother in verse 45 (mother of abominations, the great harlot Babylon). We are in the times of these words, the evil of the hypocrites is dis-covered, as they are caught breaking the brotherly covenant, reproaching the daughters of Syria, and the Philistines (plenty of whom also resort to the old hatred). And the same circumstance is referred to in Daniel:
Daniel 11:14
"And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south: also the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish the vision; but they shall fall."
The same people have wrongly affirmed that the king of the north in end-times prophecy is out of Moscow. And a failed rapturist theory (there's much searching of heart) will be the sift between the precious and the unsavory, in that matter.
Watch out now!
Daniel 11:14
"And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south: also the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish the vision; but they shall fall."
The same people have wrongly affirmed that the king of the north in end-times prophecy is out of Moscow. And a failed rapturist theory (there's much searching of heart) will be the sift between the precious and the unsavory, in that matter.
Watch out now!
nino_savatte
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I've only just spotted this:
The Nazis weren't socialists and only the likes of pbman and the Freepershits would say that. As I said rach, you wouldn't know your arse from and ideological hole in the ground.
The Nazis weren't socialists and only the likes of pbman and the Freepershits would say that. As I said rach, you wouldn't know your arse from and ideological hole in the ground.
Nino: Then be a compassionate person and explain, if you will, just what Ba'atism encompasses.
ZWord: 93% of the land is owned by the state. Private land ownership is severely limited. the remaining 7% is split with 4% going to Jews and the remaining mostly going to Arabs.
ZWord: 93% of the land is owned by the state. Private land ownership is severely limited. the remaining 7% is split with 4% going to Jews and the remaining mostly going to Arabs.
nino_savatte
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rachamim18 said:
I can't explain anything to anyone who thinks that the Nazis were 'socialists".
On your bike.
I don't really understand what happened there. Anyway, as far as I could tell, Rachamim, wa saying the nazis weren't socialists, giving them as an example of people who were called socialists but weren't most socialists' idea of socialists.
93% of the land of Israel is owned by the state. ?
What about the real estate, the industries, the businesses?
What does the state do with the land it owns?
93% of the land of Israel is owned by the state. ?
What about the real estate, the industries, the businesses?
What does the state do with the land it owns?
nino_savatte
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ZWord said:
Perhaps he wasn't but he made his point a little inelegantly.
But to mention the Nazis (and Ba'athists) in the same breath as the word "socialism" is interesting and is compounded by the fact that he doesn't see the Nazis as "classic socialists"...which means he views them, as he does Ba'athist, as socialists nonetheless.
Ba'athism is not socialism. It's about as socialist as Mussolini's fascist party.
ZWord said:
The state of Israel inherited its land holdings from the British Mandate holdings, which inherited its holdings from the Ottoman Empire. Absentee Ottoman landowners leased it out to locals - think sharecroppers in the US South, which is the main reason the Palestinian locals were so poor.
Private home owners and businesses pay rent to the Israel Land Authority.
Zword:The 93% of land owned by the state is offered at long term lease for industry. Agriculture is almost totally cooperative, perhaps one of the truest examples of socialism in action ever seen. In terms of real estate, individuals may buy the domicile, but not the land. My home in Bat Yam is a good example. I own my home and the home of my exwife, but not the land underneath them. I hold it in trust for the government. Improvements to the land are controlled, but other differences are not as apparent.
ZWord: Not true. Foreign ownership is very prohibitive.
ZWord: Instead of trying to be cute, why not simply ask? Better yet, why not look at my posts to find out about me since I posted my lifestory just last week [yet again, just for folks like you]. Even better, why not follow Fridge's advice and relegate personal stuff to personal messaging?
Now that I have said that...I am in america, thus I honestly post my location. I was last in Israel 6 weeks ago if it matters to you. I am a dual citizen, and yes that Is exceptional. Most Israelis do not have the ability to travel the world. they are at home with triple digit inflation and militants that want to blow their brains out. I on the other hand am able to work for what would be a fortune in Israel. When I retire, which might be in 4 months, I will return home permanantly. My wife is begging to go back now.
Now that I have said that...I am in america, thus I honestly post my location. I was last in Israel 6 weeks ago if it matters to you. I am a dual citizen, and yes that Is exceptional. Most Israelis do not have the ability to travel the world. they are at home with triple digit inflation and militants that want to blow their brains out. I on the other hand am able to work for what would be a fortune in Israel. When I retire, which might be in 4 months, I will return home permanantly. My wife is begging to go back now.
nino_savatte
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rachamim18 said:
I see no consistency here. Quel surprise!
Streathamite
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rachamim18 said:
more dishonest propaganda. with land anywhere, it ain't who has formal title that matters, but how the land is used, who by, who is in effective control and who decides that on a real-world, day-to-day basis. formal tiotle is owned by the zionist-settler State, for reasons explained. In praxctice, the vast majority of the land does NOT get to beused by palestinian arabs, but by the zionist incomers. becuas ethe people who decide on this are...guess who?
Moono: American AID to Israel was never a handout. Israel and America had common interests and it was a cooperative arrangement. Now that the Cold War is over and America is exerting itself in the region instead of by proxy, you can rest assured that America will be severely curtailing its aid. There is a growing number of Israelis, myself included, who wish that Israel did not receive a penny from America, as it is demeaning and not neccessary.
RedJezza: So, it is dishonest to state that 93% of the land is state owned? By the way, you apprently are ignorant about Israeli culture since you assume that only Jews serve in government, etc. In addition, Israeli-Arabs are citizens, "Palestinians" are not. Israeli-Arabs are allocated land usage according to the same system as other Israelis. No preference is given according to ethnicity or religion.
RedJezza: So, it is dishonest to state that 93% of the land is state owned? By the way, you apprently are ignorant about Israeli culture since you assume that only Jews serve in government, etc. In addition, Israeli-Arabs are citizens, "Palestinians" are not. Israeli-Arabs are allocated land usage according to the same system as other Israelis. No preference is given according to ethnicity or religion.
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