Why does society not trust women?

Discussion in 'theory, philosophy & history' started by Cloo, Feb 28, 2018.

  1. cheesethief

    cheesethief Well-Known Member

    This is sadly still very true, although I wonder whether there's a slight breeze of change blowing through collective psyches, mainly due to the persistent instances of corporate malfeasance. A recent example would be the collapse of Carillion - the usual array of identikit white middle aged men were on display at the commons select committee enquiry into the collapse. How many people watching that thought to themselves "There's a bunch of highly competent professionals who clearly deserved to be on the board of directors" ? I would imagine most people thought "Yet another bunch of incompetent, self-serving white middle aged business wankers".
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  2. Cloo

    Cloo Surfeit of lampreys

    You answer your own question mate ;)
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  3. petee

    petee i'm spartacus

  4. TopCat

    TopCat Gone away, no forwarding address

    Wealthy middle class women moaning about equality gets on my tits.
    Rarely is solidarity offered to working class women. More like more moaning about their lazy cleaner and au pair.
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  5. jusali

    jusali Happy daze.....

    Eve is the reason, sounds flippant but subliminally, that shit's stuck for centuries.
  6. hipipol

    hipipol Peckham Wry

    Not the only woman defamed by the all male clergy/priesthood/imam/guru/inset whatever male in special kit runs things in almost every religious group...
    The first objects identified as representations of deities by modern archaeologists usually depicts, tho looking at primarily European evidence it is common globally, a female figure with large breasts and wide hips,
    Venus of Marmotta, early Neolithic, c 6/7,000 BC, small, made to be carried by non settled hunter gatherers -http://www.europeanvirtualmuseum.it/repertidettagli/Deepenings118.htm
    However, in modern times, the Daily Lyingbastard says:-
    "Ancient figurines were toys not mother goddess statues, say experts as 9,000-year-old artefacts are discovered" - not an argument I have heard when "experts" ref ancient penis shaped artefacts..
    The main initial reason for the belittling of women was the arrival of settled behaviours, raising cattle or sheep - animal husbandry predates cultivation it seems - I use "husbandry" deliberately in its original sense - ownership, control and third on the list, care.
    In the early Neolithic, no one owned much, but as people slowly developed favourite pasture, good water - location X3 etc - walls, ditches, demarcation barriers began to appear - you had to make something closed to others for your own private use, creating the perfect opportunity for might is right, possibly arriving as some new religious movement that claimed greater truth and power than the Mother Goddess (this an assumption is based on the impacts of sudden cathartic religious fervour have had in the years since
    Violence and aggression now paid bigger dividend than simply a meal or chasing the other people away, it gave you Power, a very dangerous and addictive form of behaviour, as the intervening Millennia have taught. The violent aggressive model for male behaviour begins in the Neolithic and has been perpetuated by pretty much all religions ever since.
    I think that may explain why its so ingrained, why many women seem to also have low expectations of other women, when it is almost universal (there exceptions still I think, however small...)
    Whether or not you believe yourself, approximately 9,00 years of being brainwashed cant be changed easily, but is learned behaviour, it can be changed
    Hopefully not taking the full 9,000 years to reset the clock

    PS < sorry its so rambling......
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  7. tim

    tim Well-Known Member

    Do you really know so much about Neolithic Culture? And were neolithic folk and their cultures homogenous?

    It seems to me that you are pushing your own simplistic Eden Myth with your own version of the Fall.
  8. Poot

    Poot Everyone's a superhero, everyone's a Captain Kirk

    Yeah. We should probably get back in our box, you're right. What were we thinking.

    Sorry. Sorry for getting on your tits. It must be very hard for you. Having to listen to women who complain.
  9. Beats & Pieces

    Beats & Pieces 24601 / 9430 Banned

    Easy to criticize a man rather than look to the dynamics at play within the constructed box, eh? Especially when that critique comes from other women - notably the non-white / middle class type. You might know them as WOC. Or rather, you know best.
  10. friendofdorothy

    friendofdorothy it is so much worse than Thatcherism now

    Wealthy middle class men who never even have to think about about equality at all get on my tits even more. Especially the ones who have tried to get on my tits.
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  11. 8ball

    8ball Considerably more oppressed than yow

    We just got a new CEO this week and I can assure you there's at least one counter-example.
  12. friendofdorothy

    friendofdorothy it is so much worse than Thatcherism now

    My life experience has taught me not to trust what men say.

    The number of male co workers who with little or no experience, who have said 'oh yes I can do that' when maybe they have done it once or they have just read about it. And women who are really capable say 'oh I'm not sure' because they lack the confidence, especially low paid women who aren't used to being trusted, thats something I've come across over and over.

    I heard on the radio, as I was struggled to find a new slightly less low paid job - that men routinely apply for jobs when they have 50% of the job spec whereas women only applied if they had 85% (think that was the figures of some study or other). It altered how I presented myself and I got the next job I went for.

    Girls are (or were when I was young) socialised not to brag, to be modest, not to appear to bright. I'm not sure if society doesn't trust women but I think many women don't trust themselves.
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  13. 8ball

    8ball Considerably more oppressed than yow

    I go a step further and extend that to humans generally.
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  14. 8ball

    8ball Considerably more oppressed than yow

    THIS on the other hand, I can totally get.

    I think the bullshitting culture extends to both sexes, but the male uptake is definitely way ahead.
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  15. friendofdorothy

    friendofdorothy it is so much worse than Thatcherism now

    fair enough. Cats can be fairly untrustworthy too.
  16. Puddy_Tat

    Puddy_Tat for the workers' breakfast

  17. 8ball

    8ball Considerably more oppressed than yow

    Some cats.
  18. friendofdorothy

    friendofdorothy it is so much worse than Thatcherism now

    Very true. Middle aged guys (and it was overwhelmingly guys) are grossly over compensated for their gross incompetence and it is something for which we have all been paying the price.Yet it continues.
  19. 8ball

    8ball Considerably more oppressed than yow

    It's not just down to being male and middle aged. It's being male, middle aged, in the right place at the right time and most importantly being a certain kind of person.

    That kind of person also comes in a female body from time to time (if less often). I'm not convinced that enabling them in a similar manner would make the world greatly better,
  20. Puddy_Tat

    Puddy_Tat for the workers' breakfast

  21. hipipol

    hipipol Peckham Wry

  22. Looby

    Looby Well-Known Member

    Anyone for bingo? [​IMG]
  23. Sue

    Sue Well-Known Member

    Massive fail ^. No mention of 'bra-burning feminists'.

    Someone (male, mid-30s) actually used this term when talking to me yesterday. He said something dismissive about feminists and I said I was one.

    'Oh, trying to get equality is fair enough, it's the bra-burning feminists who want to take over that I can't stand.'

    Yesterday was a particularly trying day.
  24. kabbes

    kabbes "A top 400 poster"

    I’ve just realised my that I have been conditioned to see zig-zag underlining as indicating a spelling or grammatical error depending on its colour.
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  25. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    nothing wrong with the term bra-burning feminists. especially if the bra they're burning is round a mcp.
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  26. Sue

    Sue Well-Known Member

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  27. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    male chauvinist pig
  28. 8ball

    8ball Considerably more oppressed than yow


    I've not heard anyone refer to bra burning in years.

    There's some good historical commentary making the case that it never happened (aside from a single symbolic burning in a very small protest one time), but people of my parents generation maintain solidly that it was all the rage.
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  29. Sue

    Sue Well-Known Member


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  30. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    i always thought it was anger-fuelled.
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