Why do they oppose American beef?
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ymu
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You're so thick sometimes Johnny. Concerns over GM food have nothing to do with people thinking they absorb the DNA from food.
Do you think if you ate a tumour, that you'd get a tumour?
There are many problems with GM. A lot stem from the fact that every new GM organism is unique - it's not a technology that can be declared safe, it has to be assessed case by case. Some modifications can make an organism directly or indirectly harmful (poisonous to humans or to the environment). There are concerns that the length and type of testing is insufficient at the present time. Other concerns include doubts about the benefits to farmers and the need for them to buy their seed every year from the GM companies.
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
Do you think if you ate a tumour, that you'd get a tumour?
Of course not. Im sure people have been eating animals with tumours for thousands of years with nothing going wrong.
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
You're so thick sometimes Johnny. Concerns over GM food have nothing to do with people thinking they absorb the DNA from food.
There are many problems with GM. A lot stem from the fact that every new GM organism is unique - it's not a technology that can be declared safe, it has to be assessed case by case. Some modifications can make an organism directly or indirectly harmful (poisonous to humans or to the environment). There are concerns that the length and type of testing is insufficient at the present time. Other concerns include doubts about the benefits to farmers and the need for them to buy their seed every year from the GM companies.
Exactly. we dont know enough about the effects yet.
Johnny Canuck3
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You're so thick sometimes Johnny. Concerns over GM food have nothing to do with people thinking they absorb the DNA from food.
There are many problems with GM. A lot stem from the fact that every new GM organism is unique - it's not a technology that can be declared safe, it has to be assessed case by case. Some modifications can make an organism directly or indirectly harmful (poisonous to humans or to the environment). There are concerns that the length and type of testing is insufficient at the present time. Other concerns include doubts about the benefits to farmers and the need for them to buy their seed every year from the GM companies.
I agree that there's lots wrong with GM technology, but lots of people are afraid to eat the stuff because it's gm, and that's foolish. On this thread, two people said they didn't want to eat gm food, and that's what I was responding to.
Do you recall the food irradiation debacle? Same thing. People were afraid to eat irradiated food. People can be such dummies sometimes.
Johnny Canuck3
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Of eating it, you mean?
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
You agree that there's lots wrong with GM technology but think that people are foolish not to want to eat GM food?
You're such a fucking fraud.
Johnny Canuck3
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You agree that there's lots wrong with GM technology but think that people are foolish not to want to eat GM food?
You're such a fucking fraud.
And you're apparently a moron who either can't read, or can't comprehend what you're reading.
GM technology is most likely of concern wrt the biosphere, concerning its intra-species genetic effects, etc. It seems to be designed to take away the power of farmers to use 'natural' means to sustain their crops, etc.
Yes, there are good political reasons to oppose GM foods, but that doesn't make it biologically harmful for an individual to ingest gm food.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
What makes you think that their objections are purely on safety grounds? Do they not have a right to decide what they eat? GM from the US is not labelled - and it's getting increasingly difficult to work out what's GM from places like India and China (source). US rice exports were halted for years due to cross-contamination with an unapproved GM rice strain - we have no idea how frequently that occurs or how often it is detected and dealt with properly. It's entirely reasonable to say that you won't touch GM food produced in such a poorly regulated and overly-commercialised environment where the producers have won the right not to reveal what it is they're selling.
And what on earth makes you think all approved GM food is safe for consumption? GM technology hasn't been around long enough to know that; large-scale long-term human testing has not been done. Your faith in the regulatory authorities is touching, but it's a tad naive.
Nice try Johnny, but you were just sneering from a position of ignorance - as usual.
ok cool down you two
Well, that may or may not be foolish, but as ever you have imagined things, and then put them into others' mouths. I certainly did not say i was afraid to eat the stuff, and i couldn't see frogw saying this either.
hipipol
Peckham Wry
I have not eaten any meat from a fast food outlet fro some time now
At home I only meat whose source can be indentified - eg Organic Scottish beef, costs a fucking bomb but its v tasty and unlikely to give me an atrophied brain stem. Organic free range too, no farmed salmon.....the list goes on
Partially its driven by fear of what ago-business globally does to up production - so thats the stick - but the carrot is that I think it does taste better -at the local farmers market two brothers sell their cousins organic unfiltered cold pressed olive oil - its the nuts!!!!! - AND its cheaper than the big Italian producers stuff at Tesco!!!
SDupport small biz, say NO to industrialised taste free crap!!!!!
PS YWoman - we have LOADS of our own money obsessed agri biz poisoners - if you are ever over here avoid any Bernard Mathews products like the plague - his mega poultry factories are amongst the most appalling anywhere in the world, to avoid the admittedly feeble enforcement of bird welfare laws he set up a factory in Hungary, then managed to import bird flu to the UK!!!
result, thousands of birds had to slaughtered and because of the way the animal disease laws are over here, HE was given neary $2 million in "compensation" for his self inflicted loss!!!!!!!
At home I only meat whose source can be indentified - eg Organic Scottish beef, costs a fucking bomb but its v tasty and unlikely to give me an atrophied brain stem. Organic free range too, no farmed salmon.....the list goes on
Partially its driven by fear of what ago-business globally does to up production - so thats the stick - but the carrot is that I think it does taste better -at the local farmers market two brothers sell their cousins organic unfiltered cold pressed olive oil - its the nuts!!!!! - AND its cheaper than the big Italian producers stuff at Tesco!!!
SDupport small biz, say NO to industrialised taste free crap!!!!!
PS YWoman - we have LOADS of our own money obsessed agri biz poisoners - if you are ever over here avoid any Bernard Mathews products like the plague - his mega poultry factories are amongst the most appalling anywhere in the world, to avoid the admittedly feeble enforcement of bird welfare laws he set up a factory in Hungary, then managed to import bird flu to the UK!!!
result, thousands of birds had to slaughtered and because of the way the animal disease laws are over here, HE was given neary $2 million in "compensation" for his self inflicted loss!!!!!!!
Heh, reading about bernard matthews and his 'food' reminds me of a chapter i read in an edited pilger book about the fast food business in the US. It was a chapter from the fast food nation by eric schlosser about the slaughterhouses in the US for cattle, and how dangerous a job it was for all the immigrants from mexico and guatemala.
I never eat fast food from those chains, but anybody reading this would find it hard to stomach another burger from mcdonalds or any of the other chains.
When you read what they do to raise cattle, then how they kill them, and how it kills and maims the workers slaughtering them, then it would be a wonder if anybody accepted american beef.
I never eat fast food from those chains, but anybody reading this would find it hard to stomach another burger from mcdonalds or any of the other chains.
When you read what they do to raise cattle, then how they kill them, and how it kills and maims the workers slaughtering them, then it would be a wonder if anybody accepted american beef.
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Is Britain a kinder, gentler fast food nation to its food animals? That seems to contradict what hipipol just said about Matthews and chickens.
I said i would never eat any american food because it is not known if it includes gm food because they don't have to put it on the labels.
And i didn't speak for fw. I said i could not see that she had said she was afraid of gm either. I read her post and made this conclusion.
I don't know, is it a kinder gentler neation to its food animals? I doubt it, but i really don't know. Maybe they too have thousands of immigrants working in the slaughterhouses maiming themselves or getting killed on the job. Who knows? However i've not read any investigative stuff that confirms it either way. But i did read this schlosser's stuff.
So, who knows?
And i'll answer this post in a second way now.
You pose a question that comes out of your fertile imagination. You then make the leap that the answer is 'no', and then you berate that person for saying this 'no' and therefore contradicting what somebody else said.
It's unreal! You're having conversations with yourself it seems to me.
Let's put it another way.
You push a question onto me. Then you answer it on my behalf. Then you tell me i'm contradicting, not myself, but somebody else.
Amazing.
Johnny Canuck3
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No, you're getting all uppity about bad american food, but from what I read, it sounds like Bernard Matthews is just as bad.
Have you cut yourself off from british food as well?
I guess the question is, are you some sort of bigot and hypocrite?
No, you're getting all uppity about bad american food, but from what I read, it sounds like Bernard Matthews is just as bad.
Have you cut yourself off from british food as well?
I guess the question is, are you some sort of bigot and hypocrite?
No, i'm not getting 'uppity'.
I just won't eat owt that comes from america.
Bernard matthews is probably just as bad. But in britain they have to let the consumer know about GM being in the ingredients. So i can simply check the label before i might buy it.
And your guess about questions is spot on. It's absolutely a correct question if you want to fire it off.
pk
drink flounce rinse repeat
People are boycotting US produce just like Israeli produce.
The days of US being able to bully other countries into accepting their shite are coming to an end.
Unless Obama gets in and restores confidence in the once great nation, its heading for a serious depression, and might not get the help it used to rely on.
Still, plenty of guns, you can hunt for your food like the old days.
A bit of humility would do the American psyche a world of good IMO.
The days of US being able to bully other countries into accepting their shite are coming to an end.
Unless Obama gets in and restores confidence in the once great nation, its heading for a serious depression, and might not get the help it used to rely on.
Still, plenty of guns, you can hunt for your food like the old days.
A bit of humility would do the American psyche a world of good IMO.
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