Why Do People Hate America?

[surfcatCO]

anti americanism has become like anti semitism, the socialism of fools.

Spot on.

 

[Major Tom]

I can't stand Ann Coulter.

I'm not even a Republican.

If this is your argument...



..then I would have to say that I don't accept it. Especially since the British way of life isn't THAT much different from the American way of life (but with the addition of a lot more whining obviously).

Different enough - less SUVs, less conspicuous waste, less supersizing, less poor/ rich divide, less racism. It does seem we're catching you up fast though.

 

[Major Tom]

anti americanism has become like anti semitism, the socialism of fools.

What anti-Americanism? I don;t see any.

 

[revol68]

Is that code for "I don't accept your argument" by any chance?

Do you read Ann Coulter?

look i don't kow if SurfCatCO is a right wing prick or not, infact from his posts so far he seems to be talking some sense.

Lots of the chattering classes (left and right) like to rant on about the US because they following the collapse of the british empire they have nothing to make them feel better than to homogenise half a fucking continent. of course this also allows them to escape examining the british states nasty lil role in the world and requires absolutely no critique of the class system of which they very well from.

 

[surfcatCO]

I gave you a chance - but it is clear that you don't know what you're talking about.

I can see from the other posts you've made that you'd dearly love to believe that we hate all you Americans - it makes it all so much easier for you. Oh poor put upon America. How you suffer .

This cry of Anti-American is a pathetic one I hear all the time, and serves only to allow you to avoid arguing the actual issues.

What posts you [insult removed - felt bad]? Get over it - if I hurt your feelings learn to deal with it without fantasizing about giving me 'chances' LOL

 

[surfcatCO]

look i don't kow if SurfCatCO is a right wing prick or not, infact from his posts so far he seems to be talking some sense.

Lots of the chattering classes (left and right) like to rant on about the US because they following the collapse of the british empire they have nothing to make them feel better than to homogenise half a fucking continent. of course this also allows them to escape examining the british states nasty lil role in the world and requires absolutely no critique of the class system of which they very well from.

I'm not right-wing but I can accept being called a prick.

I just presented an opinion which had a mild element of 'winding up' to it and the negative reaction took me by surprise, even though it fulfilled the precise point I was making.

 

[angry bob]

Different enough - less SUVs, less conspicuous waste, less supersizing, less poor/ rich divide, less racism. It does seem we're catching you up fast though.

less of everything perhaps?

except royals and official state religions.

Is US foriegn policy that much different from UK foriegn policy?

It has larger effects obviously, but is it really any more ethical?

(genuine question)

The US is much more diverse in most every way than the UK. A closer comparision would perhaps be the EU, despite the lack of common languge therein.

And then if you were to compare the negative effects of the foriegn polcies of the EU member states, with those due to the US you might obtain a fairer comparison.

Generalising about a entire nationality (something there seems to be a lot of on this thread) is simple ignorant bigotry.

 

[surfcatCO]

Different enough - less SUVs, less conspicuous waste, less supersizing, less poor/ rich divide, less racism. It does seem we're catching you up fast though.

Living in America I have to say the conspicuous consumption and resulting waste takes a bit of getting used to.

However, the exact same thing goes on in Britain.

Also, there are countries that are more guilty of this even than America and the UK. Try visting Japan or China and while you're there think about how the idea that Americans are one of the more racist countries in the world might need to be revised.

Gap between rich and poor? I think what you mean is that there are super-rich and there are not so well off in the US. I think you will find that the division between rich and poor is much, much worse in MANY (if not MOST) of the other countries in the world.

 

[nino_savatte]

I can't stand Ann Coulter.

I'm not even a Republican.

If this is your argument...



..then I would have to say that I don't accept it. Especially since the British way of life isn't THAT much different from the American way of life (but with the addition of a lot more whining obviously).

I'm not even sure what your argument is, in that case. It is far too easy to dismiss concerns over US hegemony as mere "anti-Americanism". That is what I am saying. Many Americans seem to believe that it all stems from a form of 'jealousy'. You appeared to be taking that line.

 

[nino_savatte]

look i don't kow if SurfCatCO is a right wing prick or not, infact from his posts so far he seems to be talking some sense.

Lots of the chattering classes (left and right) like to rant on about the US because they following the collapse of the british empire they have nothing to make them feel better than to homogenise half a fucking continent. of course this also allows them to escape examining the british states nasty lil role in the world and requires absolutely no critique of the class system of which they very well from.

I am sure we are all aware of the excesses of the British Empire but does the UK have a similar, bloated defence budget as the US? You mention class but the US does not recognise class although it patently exists. The class system in the UK is endlessly critiqued (on this forum at least) to say that any critique of the class system is absent is somewhat unfair.

 

[revol68]

I am sure we are all aware of the excesses of the British Empire but does the UK have a similar, bloated defence budget as the US? You mention class but the US does not recognise class although it patently exists. The class system in the UK is endlessly critiqued (on this forum at least) to say that any critique of the class system is absent is somewhat unfair.

are you fucking serious there are so many liberals out there who seem to think the US=Capitalism/Imperialism, instead of recognising that US hegemony is rather the product of capitalism.

 

[nino_savatte]

are you fucking serious there are so many liberals out there who seem to think the US=Capitalism/Imperialism, instead of recognising that US hegemony is rather the product of capitalism.

Aye, that's right: there's a 'liberal' conspiracy.

 

[revol68]

Aye, that's right: there's a 'liberal' conspiracy.

fuck me are you that simple.

no one mentioned conspiracy, infact it's far from one, it's just what happens when the middle classes wanted to act radical, they choose an easy target to hide their own role.

Look at all those cocks that had placards thanking Chircac, like Chirac isn't just as bad as the US only he's in charge of an ex colonial power thats been severly undercut in it's international clout.

 

[nino_savatte]

fuck me are you that simple.

No, but you have a one-track mind.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Where do you think the maids in Britain come from?

Probably not E90. Where do the poor people live in Britain?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

grow up and get a brain, you ignorant cretin!
I do NOT hate the US; I hate their foreign policyies, for the murderous effect effect they have on others. is that SO difficult for you to graqsp?
Actually - it probably is.

You're like a good christian: hate the sin, love the sinner.

Can you go so far as to say you love americans?

 

[nino_savatte]

You're like a good christian: hate the sin, love the sinner.

Can you go so far as to say you love americans?

Why are you putting words into Jezza's 'mouth', JC?

 

[revol68]

Why are you putting words into Jezza's 'mouth', JC?

cos let's face it the alternative is just Jezza talking complete shite.

 

[nino_savatte]

cos let's face it the alternative is just Jezza talking complete shite.

I wasn't talking to you and if I want to get anything from you, I'll pull the chain.

Dipshit.

 

[revol68]

no problem, if you ever need help grasping the finer points of Foucault i'll be there for you.

 

[nino_savatte]

no problem, if you ever need help grasping the finer points of Foucault i'll be there for you.

Are you still here, Mr One Track Mind?

 

[revol68]

just out of interest what track does my mind seem to be on?

of course your mind is about as effecient rail track.

 

[Streathamite]

You're like a good christian: hate the sin, love the sinner.

no, i'm not! it's got bugger all to do with religion.
<scratches head>
<tries to work out what JC2 is blethering on about>
<fails>

Can you go so far as to say you love americans?

well, yes, a handful in the biblical sense, and a fair few more in the 'good mates' sense.
er, are you sure you're feeling allright?

 

[nino_savatte]

just out of interest what track does my mind seem to be on?

of course your mind is about as effecient rail track.

I'll leave to think about that one...if you are capable.

Your last sentence doesn't make any sense...like you.

What? No cracks about Foucault or liberals?

 

[Streathamite]

cos let's face it the alternative is just Jezza talking complete shite.

well let's face it, the anorwak wadical who has claimed to be working for BOTH the Nepalese embassy AND an insurance multinational is sure as hell speaking from the perfect vantage point on 'shite'!
Oh what the hell, i can't be arsed to jump into the gutter with you.
Please do give all of us the wondrous enlightenment we crave, of precisely what is wrong with the following, as you are after all the only twue wevowutionary on these boards, and the rest of us are misguided wiberwals needing your messianic liberwation.

grow up and get a brain, you ignorant cretin!
I do NOT hate the US; I hate their foreign policies, for the murderous effect effect they have on others. is that SO difficult for you to grasp?
Actually - it probably is.

tarquin.

 

[nino_savatte]

We need revol68 to save us from tyranny and the evil of world capitalism - only he has the answer!

 

[revol68]

well let's face it, the anorwak wadical who has claimed to be working for BOTH the Nepalese embassy AND an insurance multinational is sure as hell speaking from the perfect vantage point on 'shite'!
Oh what the hell, i can't be arsed to jump into the gutter with you.
Please do give all of us the wondrous enlightenment we crave, of precisely what is wrong with the following, as you are after all the only twue wevowutionary on these boards, and the rest of us are misguided wiberwals needing your messianic liberwation.
tarquin.

did you really not get the Nepalese embassy joke, fuck me man you must be a right laugh in the pub.

And there is nothing wrong with despising US foreign policy but there is a problem of not seeking to analysis it's roots and it's complexity. The other problem is that people seem to forget plenty of other countries foreign policies and focus on the US.

Haven't you got car bombing gang rapists to be cheering on to victory?

 

[Streathamite]

Freaky. Did I address you personally?

Why do you feel the need to attack ME personally?

I attacked you for the content of your post - i felt it was full of the sort of lazy, self-deluding, ignorant bullshit that we used to get from neocons like that eejit mears whining 'you're just, jealous'.

And are you really under the impression that all Americans can be lumped together and HATED? You'll be telling me they all eat babies next.

As I have explained - here and elsewhere - in arseaching length - no, of course I fucking well don't! And there is NOTHING I have EVER said anywhere to give that impression - in fact, exactly the opposite.
It's just you wanting to believe that, and you know you cannot possibly make a case based on my words, for saying that
so - quite frankly - pull your head out of your arse, you utter fucking braindamaged, ignorant cretin.
when you talk shit, I'll pull you up on it.
every time.

 

[nino_savatte]

fuck me man you must be a right laugh in the pub.

What? Like you, you mean? You must be a real barrel of laughs.

Got any Foucault jokes? Found any liberals lurking under your bed recently?

 

[Major Tom]

Living in America I have to say the conspicuous consumption and resulting waste takes a bit of getting used to.

However, the exact same thing goes on in Britain.

Believe me the conspicuous waste in the US is far worse than it is here, but I did admit it is getting worse here - young people in the UK seem enthralled by the American lifestyle as they see it - and we're definitely heading that way.

Also, there are countries that are more guilty of this even than America and the UK. Try visting Japan or China and while you're there think about how the idea that Americans are one of the more racist countries in the world might need to be revised.

i didn;t at any point say the US was one of the more racist countries in the world. I just compared it to Britain.

Gap between rich and poor? I think what you mean is that there are super-rich and there are not so well off in the US.

er - that is a gap between rich and poor. I've spent time in LA and New York and saw a rich/poor divide there that does not exist in Britain. But things are getting worse here, I admit, now we have a govenrment introducing US-style welfare reforms, inevitably we're going to be increasing the super-rich, and leaving the already sizable underclass in place. The US corporations are over here already offering virtually slave wages - WalMart, McDonalds etc.

I think you will find that the division between rich and poor is much, much worse in MANY (if not MOST) of the other countries in the world.

I have to disagree with you here. In most European countries at least the wealth is distributed much more equitably.