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Originally Posted by jimmy3000
As for the Americans only going to Iraq for the oil. to me that is as stupid as saying police only go after criminals so they can confiscate the illicit money the criminals have made. Maybe the oil was a factor to say it was the only reason is moronic.



Though not in the same league as "by god did we find the terrorists".

The English might be a bit crap. but the point I'm making is true, Instead of the one off nutters of 9/11 in Iraq it is like an endless conveyor belt of brainwashed lunatics ready to kill any number of people.
 
jimmy3000 said:
The English might be a bit crap. but the point I'm making is true, Instead of the one off nutters of 9/11 in Iraq it is like an endless conveyor belt of brainwashed lunatics ready to kill any number of people.

Why are you quoting your own post?
 
jimmy3000 said:
The English might be a bit crap. but the point I'm making is true, Instead of the one off nutters of 9/11 in Iraq it is like an endless conveyor belt of brainwashed lunatics ready to kill any number of people.

Wasn't just the English that was crap...
 
Yuwipi Woman said:
Not only that, but he's not an American. Americans don't use the word "nutter."

Well spotted I am English. I think life is so easy when you are criticising from the background. All you energy is criticising Bush, but what if you had the responsibility what would you do, do you think you have it all worked out and that you could do such a better job?
 
jimmy3000 said:
Well spotted I am English. I think life is so easy when you are criticising from the background. All you energy is criticising Bush, but what if you had the responsibility what would you do, do you think you have it all worked out and that you could do such a better job?

My friend's gay, 13 yr old, three-legged poodle could do a better job.

What are you? BNP?
 
jimmy3000 said:
... Instead of the one off nutters of 9/11 in Iraq it is like an endless conveyor belt of brainwashed lunatics ready to kill any number of people.
And where were they before the 'pre-emptive defence'?
 
DexterTCN said:
And where were they before the 'pre-emptive defence'?

I know what you are saying but everyone has been staggered by the bloodthirsty nature of it. The driving of truck bombs into crowed markets, the bombings of religios festivals.

Al qaieda was operating before the war The American embasey in Nigeria and 9/11 which was before the war.
 
jimmy3000 said:
May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits

Geez, we could have saved so much time if you'd just come out and said you were a troll! Can't even get decent trolls these days. I'm blame it on rampant industrialism.
 
jimmy3000 said:
I know what you are saying but everyone has been staggered by the bloodthirsty nature of it. The driving of truck bombs into crowed markets, the bombings of religios festivals.

Al qaieda was operating before the war The American embasey in Nigeria and 9/11 which was before the war.


boming religioud festivals and crowded market places? yeah colateral damage innit
 
888 said:
I totally disagree, although I've never been to Oklahoma city or Bulgaria... but that sounds like the usual hyperbole you come out with.

I'll go further than that: there is more difference between E.100th St and E.90th St in *Manhattan* than there is between Britain and Bulgaria.
 
phildwyer said:
I'll go further than that: there is more difference between E.100th St and E.90th St in *Manhattan* than there is between Britain and Bulgaria.
That's just bollocks, though, isn't it?
 
FridgeMagnet said:
That's just bollocks, though, isn't it?

Not at all. On E.100th St you will find the poorest people in the Western world. Life expectancy and infant mortality rates are similar to those in sub-Saharan Africa. The people are black and Latino, and the neighborhood has a very distinctive and unique culture. A culture which is dramatically different from that on E.90th St, where you will find the richest people in the Western world, with their own unique culture, who are almost all white. Ten blocks is half a mile. But culturally, economically, and even linguistically, the difference between these two blocks is indeed greater than that between Britain and Bulgaria. *Much* greater.
 
Shippou-Chan said:
don't you know you need three translators and a beureu de change if you want to go jogging in the morning

Its worse than that. The people who live on E.90th St. would never *go* to E.100th St, no matter how many translators they had with them. At least Brits will *go* to Bulgaria.
 
what all of them?

and all british will go to bulgaria?

you may not actully be talking out of your arse but that probably because even your anus doesn't belive you
 
phildwyer said:
Not at all. On E.100th St you will find the poorest people in the Western world. Life expectancy and infant mortality rates are similar to those in sub-Saharan Africa. The people are black and Latino, and the neighborhood has a very distinctive and unique culture. A culture which is dramatically different from that on E.90th St, where you will find the richest people in the Western world, with their own unique culture, who are almost all white. Ten blocks is half a mile. But culturally, economically, and even linguistically, the difference between these two blocks is indeed greater than that between Britain and Bulgaria. *Much* greater.
No, it is just bollocks. There is no possible way that you can compare the difference between two streets with the difference between two countries. It simply does not make sense; streets are not countries, and yes, I'm well aware of the surprising differences that can exist between adjoining areas in some US cities, but there is always some level that is not shared between London and Bulgaria, where there are centuries of divergent development, no shared language, barely any contact whatsoever that is not based on media that are shared much more closely between streets in one city, and so on. And a few hundred people are not equivalent to sixty million.

You need to work on that metaphor. Overstating the case is just going to make people laugh.
 
Shippou-Chan said:
what all of them?

and all british will go to bulgaria?

you may not actully be talking out of your arse but that probably because even your anus doesn't belive you

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. In every respect, the difference between E.100th St and E.90th St is *far* greater than that between Britain and Bulgaria. More Brits will go to Bulgaria than residents of E.90th St will go to E.100th St. *Many* more. Moreover, the people on E. 100th St are poorer than the people of Bulgaria, while the people on E.90th St are richer than the people of Britain. Furthermore, the people on E.90th are white, while the people of E.100th are black. As for culture, E.100th St or its environs were home to Grandmaster Flash and Tito Puente, while E.90th St or its environs are home to Woody Allen and Donald Trump. As for language, the people of E.100th St speak either Spanish or a dialect of English that is quite incomprehensible to those on E.90th St. Are you sure you wish to continue this argument?
 
FridgeMagnet said:
No, it is just bollocks. There is no possible way that you can compare the difference between two streets with the difference between two countries. It simply does not make sense; streets are not countries, and yes, I'm well aware of the surprising differences that can exist between adjoining areas in some US cities, but there is always some level that is not shared between London and Bulgaria, where there are centuries of divergent development, no shared language, barely any contact whatsoever that is not based on media.... <snip>

Everything you say here--"centuries of divergent development, no shared language, barely any contact whatsoever that is not based on media...." is more true of E.90th and E.100th than of Britain and Bulgaria.
 
yes to use your rules ....

in buckingham palace there lives a little old lady in bulgaria there also lots of little old ladies ... the bulgarian women don't vist the one in england the one in englan is white where as the ones in bulgaria would have the shit kicked out of them by the BNP the little old lady in england has a fair bit more money than the ones in bulgaria oh yes the little old ladies in bulgaria probly can't understand the one in england which is a good thing as her hubby would probably make a really bad comment

your brain has obviously overheated go put an ice pack on your head
 
revol68 said:
to be honest i thinkm I know what you mean by it but I myself don't think there is such a culture that isn't industrialised, the phrase you use would imply that some forms of culture are purer than others, a very outdated outlook.

And my criticisms of the book weren't that it slagged off the american people, my criticisms of it are that it's a just a fucking shopping list of things that the US has done. Groundbreaking facts like the US record of militarist intervention and how's it multi national companies are homogenising the world, the usual old wiberal claptrap.

Since your so upset by my Burchill analogy lets try another one, it's as if Carrie Bradshaw (the one from Sex and the City with the shite column) was subbing for Robert Fisk (hows that for bathing in postmodern references ;) )

I am not implying that there is such a thing as "pure culture", all I am saying is that cultural products (like it or not they are products), like those produced by Hollywood are not produced in some sort of ideological vacuum as you appear to suggest. I'm sorry if you don't like that but tough shit.

Your ignorance of culture is astounding. Your last paragraph only makes you look like a fool. Why should I be upset with your crass analogies? You're just another right wing shit who thinks that anyone who is critical of the US is either "anti-American" or a "wiberal". I'm only surprised you haven' resorted to calling me "anti-American".

Weak, foolish and pathetic.
 
nino_savatte said:
I am not implying that there is such a thing as "pure culture", all I am saying is that cultural products (like it or not they are products), like those produced by Hollywood are not produced in some sort of ideological vacuum as you appear to suggest. I'm sorry if you don't like that but tough shit.

Your ignorance of culture is astounding. Your last paragraph only makes you look like a fool. Why should I be upset with your crass analogies? You're just another right wing shit who thinks that anyone who is critical of the US is either "anti-American" or a "wiberal". I'm only surprised you haven' resorted to calling me "anti-American".

Weak, foolish and pathetic.

really, im glad i've got you to reiterat the obvious. For your information im not a right winger at all, rather im a libertarian communist, who take issue with crass anti americanism because it revolves around smug liberalism rather than any sort of serious materialist analysis.

your barking up the wrong tree and more to the point i think you've bitten off more than you can chew.
 
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