Yuwipi Woman
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nino_savatte said:
You're so right about the Hollywood sterotypes, Nino. I have no idea where Hollywood (and the rest of america) got the idea that Brits were insufferable, superior bores.
Why Do People Hate America?
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You're so right about the Hollywood sterotypes, Nino. I have no idea where Hollywood (and the rest of america) got the idea that Brits were insufferable, superior bores.
Yuwipi Woman
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Fruitloop said:
Ah, you are quite correct, m'lord.
(Although I do apologize profusely for Dick van Dyke)
revol68
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nino_savatte said:
actually dipshit i have read it as my ex housemate had a copy, it's pure shite.
It's what would happen if Julie Burchill had taken over Chomskys (after a frotnal lobotamy) body and decided to make a book for superficial radicals to feel smug about.
I bet you think No Logo is good as well FFS.
This is not directed at any particular poster here, but Anti Americanism really makes me angry.
People who criticize or hate America strike me as being like children being spiteful and trying to hurt there parents, not realizing there parents are human being and are not indestructible and can be hurt. But to the childs eyes the parent is a constant unchanging person. (I am not saying America is the parent or should be viewed as such.) Only that attacking America is great and fansionable when we think it is the big bad beast, that it is invulnerable. but few nuclear bombs smuggled in by say Iran and America is back in the stone age.
It is very safe to criticize America when you think it is invulnerable, But some people really want to see the destruction of the US. I think people should take a time out and make up there minds where there loyalies are.
And a bit about the war in Iraq. The danger was WMDs and terrorists who's goal is to destroy the West and our way of life. We did not find the WMDs but by god did we find the terrorists. I don't remember in the second world war French resistance fighters blowing up a bus killing forty school kids as happened in the long list or atrocities in Iraq.
In the past with Russia it has always been the thought that no sane person would use and atomic bomb. Could a Muslim terrorist be relied upon not to use one?
People who criticize or hate America strike me as being like children being spiteful and trying to hurt there parents, not realizing there parents are human being and are not indestructible and can be hurt. But to the childs eyes the parent is a constant unchanging person. (I am not saying America is the parent or should be viewed as such.) Only that attacking America is great and fansionable when we think it is the big bad beast, that it is invulnerable. but few nuclear bombs smuggled in by say Iran and America is back in the stone age.
It is very safe to criticize America when you think it is invulnerable, But some people really want to see the destruction of the US. I think people should take a time out and make up there minds where there loyalies are.
And a bit about the war in Iraq. The danger was WMDs and terrorists who's goal is to destroy the West and our way of life. We did not find the WMDs but by god did we find the terrorists. I don't remember in the second world war French resistance fighters blowing up a bus killing forty school kids as happened in the long list or atrocities in Iraq.
In the past with Russia it has always been the thought that no sane person would use and atomic bomb. Could a Muslim terrorist be relied upon not to use one?
Yuwipi Woman
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Oh, Jimmy. I hope you brought your flameproof jammies. 
TBH, I don't have a problem with criticism per se. As long as it is accurate and doesn't reflect an attitude of "my culture can beat up your culture." I don't like kneejerking of any type--not from the right nor from the left. Everyone is much better off having a quiet discussion from truth. No one learns anything from/by yelling.
TBH, I don't have a problem with criticism per se. As long as it is accurate and doesn't reflect an attitude of "my culture can beat up your culture." I don't like kneejerking of any type--not from the right nor from the left. Everyone is much better off having a quiet discussion from truth. No one learns anything from/by yelling.
Shippou-Sensei
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all people are individual and shouldn't be judged by their geographical location
except americans.... bloody septics
except americans.... bloody septics
Shippou-Sensei
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jimmy3000 said:
well thats us fucked then....
Yuwipi Woman
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jimmy3000 said:
You are aware no doubt that the US is the only country who ever used the atomic bomb--not just once, but twice?
I'm a naturalized US citizen, and I've travelled all over the country. The thing to remember about the USA is that it is, easily, the most diverse nation in the world. Its easy to miss this fact if you live elsewhere, because the cultural representations of America don't reflect its diversity. But the truth is that it is utterly impossible to generalize about America, and anyone who does so is an ignorant fool. I'd go as far as to say that there is a greater diversity of people, politics, cultures etc within most single American *states* than within most European countries. There is more difference between New York City and Oklahoma City than between Britain and Bulgaria.
nino_savatte
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Yuwipi Woman said:You're so right about the Hollywood sterotypes, Nino. I have no idea where Hollywood (and the rest of america) got the idea that Brits were insufferable, superior bores.
How about the way the posh English accent is used to denote 'evil'? I could point you to a massive list of recent action films where this is the case.
These anti-yank threads depress me too. Over the years American workers have probably had to fight harder than any against their deeply reactionary political system. Yet sometimes the whole population seems to get covered in the same bile that should be reserved solely for their political class.
nino_savatte
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revol68 said:
Patronising fuck. Your remark about Burchill taking over Chomsky's body only underscores your unquestioning acceptance of industrialised 'culture'.
I've never read No Logo btw; why, have you?
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nino_savatte said:How about the way the posh English accent is used to denote 'evil'? I could point you to a massive list of recent action films where this is the case.
I'm not denying that there is stereotyping in film. I was a bit taken aback by this one:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0253556/
nino_savatte
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Yuwipi Woman said:I'm not denying that there is stereotyping in film. I was a bit taken aback by this one:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0253556/
Funnily enough, a friend of mine was in the Royal Navy in the 70's and he jumped ship at Norfolk, Virginia. He told us how he ended up working in some bar where someone heard his accent and asked "Do you still hunt dragons in England"?
Maybe it's a Virginia thing.
revol68
what, fucking what?
nino_savatte said:
unquestioning acceptance of industrialised culture? Do you even know what the fuck that sentence even means? And if you do could you tell me what distinguishes industrialised culture from non industrialised culture?
Seems like a radical reworking of High culture/Low culture debates, Im guessing your cultural consumption is of a purer form than mine, I suppouse it could be, i mean you probably read adbusters
"Why do people hate america?" is probably one of the most obvious cash ins on the "wadical Wiberal" market.
Put down the Adorno and step away from the implicitly elitist discourse dressed in radical critique.
nino_savatte
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revol68 said:unquestioning acceptance of industrialised culture? Do you even know what the fuck that sentence even means? And if you do could you tell me what distinguishes industrialised culture from non industrialised culture?
Seems like a radical reworking of High culture/Low culture debates, Im guessing your cultural consumption is of a purer form than mine, I suppouse it could be, i mean you probably read adbusters
"Why do people hate america?" is probably one of the most obvious cash ins on the "wadical Wiberal" market.
Put down the Adorno and step away from the implicitly elitist discourse dressed in radical critique.
Yes I do, you patronising fuck. How about you? I doubt you have actually read the book, save one or two passages. Where do they say - for instance -that they are being "anti-American"?
Btw, you can stick your brickbats up your arse pal.
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nino_savatte said:Funnily enough, a friend of mine was in the Royal Navy in the 70's and he jumped ship at Norfolk, Virginia. He told us how he ended up working in some bar where someone heard his accent and asked "Do you still hunt dragons in England"?
Maybe it's a Virginia thing.
Several years ago they fired a girl from our Travel and Vistor's Bureau. She was asked by some European tourists if there were any indian uprisings further west. She told them "it's horrible, they're scalping everyone!" The state patrol found the tourists going 90 mph in the other direction.
I guess she was kinda right. We might have jacked their radio because we're just uncivilized enough to do it.
Good point in a funny sort of way same with that picture of Bush saying
As for needing flame proof jammies. I think the majority of people in this country like Americans. It is very much a chattering class thing this anti US bandwagon Any critisism I get will just be clever side swipes at Bush. Or ilogical or bias arguments.
As for the Americans only going to Iraq for the oil. to me that is as stupid as saying police only go after criminals so they can confiscate the illicit money the criminals have made. Maybe the oil was a factor to say it was the only reason is moronic.
revol68
what, fucking what?
nino_savatte said:
to be honest i thinkm I know what you mean by it but I myself don't think there is such a culture that isn't industrialised, the phrase you use would imply that some forms of culture are purer than others, a very outdated outlook.
And my criticisms of the book weren't that it slagged off the american people, my criticisms of it are that it's a just a fucking shopping list of things that the US has done. Groundbreaking facts like the US record of militarist intervention and how's it multi national companies are homogenising the world, the usual old wiberal claptrap.
Since your so upset by my Burchill analogy lets try another one, it's as if Carrie Bradshaw (the one from Sex and the City with the shite column) was subbing for Robert Fisk (hows that for bathing in postmodern references
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nino_savatte said:How about the way the posh English accent is used to denote 'evil'? I could point you to a massive list of recent action films where this is the case.
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0029843/
(Again, accept my apologies for that atrocious accent by Kevin Costner in a later version).
(Again, accept my apologies for that atrocious accent by Kevin Costner in a later version).
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