why do most of these stabbings

[nosos]

Because guns dont kill people, rappers do

"Remember: Guns don't kill people, dangerous minorities do"

- Family Guy (satirising a NRA promo)

 

[Star Dove]

I'm sure that if you adjusted the proportion of black people in the prison system for social class there wouldn't be that much of a difference. You don't have to be a criminologist to realise that the poor and disadvantaged always commit more crime.

However there does need to be a explanation of why the recent media reports of knife and gun crime have almost always involved black youth.

 

[laptop]

there does need to be a explanation of why the recent media reports of knife and gun crime have almost always involved black youth.

Think yourself, if you can, into the mind of a night news editor.

Teenager stabbed on the street in Clapton - "Yes, that's a story tonight" - and, oh look, the teenager and the suspect were black.

Wife stabbed by jealous husband at home in Carshalton Beeches - "Nah, not a story".

Anyone have any handy stats on how many stabbings are domestics and how many involve the Daily Mail demographic?

 

[detective-boy]

However there does need to be a explanation of why the recent media reports of knife and gun crime have almost always involved black youth.

Er ... because the recent incidents in London have mostly involved black youths ...

What would you like the police to do? Throw the body in the Thames and substitute some random white bloke if the demograhic's looking a bit off for the month? Circulate pictures of some geezer taken off a CCTV camera in Southall rather than the real suspect if we need a bit of Asian balance on the "Wanted" poster?

 

[detective-boy]

Anyone have any handy stats on how many stabbings are domestics and how many involve the Daily Mail demographic?

Well, from my experience, about 40% were The Sun demographic (readers, not editors, but that may well have changed now ... ); about 40% were Daily Mail demographic and about 20% were The Telegraph demographic.

But in relation to significant violence arising over stupid neighbour disputes (leylandii, parking disputes, noisy kids, barbecues ...), that was another story - about 75% Daily Mail ...

 

[TAE]

Er ... because the recent incidents in London have mostly involved black youths ...

Not where I live. I've read plenty of stories about white-on-white stabbings in the local press which never made the national news.

 

[laptop]

Well, from my experience, about 40% were The Sun demographic (readers, not editors, but that may well have changed now ... ); about 40% were Daily Mail demographic and about 20% were The Telegraph demographic.

Stamp out respectable hooliganism now!

We could call them... Car-coaties? String-glovies?

 

[Aldebaran]

I don't know for the UK, but where I come in Europe most recent "stabbings" seem to be comitted by Eastern-European immigrants (or "occasional" visitors). They beat the "Northern African" immigrants formerly blamed for such crimes to it.

Maybe propose an immigrant-exchange program to get a more "mixed-race" stabbing population in the UK?

salaam.

 

[detective-boy]

Not where I live. I've read plenty of stories about white-on-white stabbings in the local press which never made the national news.

Fatal ones? Involving people under 20 as both suspect and victim? For no apparent reason in the street? "Plenty"? How many exactly?

Please do share the details ... because that does not accord with my information.

 

[audiotech]

Think yourself, if you can, into the mind of a night news editor.

Teenager stabbed on the street in Clapton - "Yes, that's a story tonight" - and, oh look, the teenager and the suspect were black.

Wife stabbed by jealous husband at home in Carshalton Beeches - "Nah, not a story".

Anyone have any handy stats on how many stabbings are domestics and how many involve the Daily Mail demographic?

Domestic violence (DV) is a huge problem for society and for the police. DV accounts for around 15% of all violent crime, and will involve one in four women and one in six men at some point in their lives.

Tragically, two women are murdered every week as a result of DV, accounting for 35% of all murders. DV also has the highest rate of repeat victimisation...

http://police.homeoffice.gov.uk/operational-policing/crime-disorder/domestic-violence/

 

[TAE]

Fatal ones? Involving people under 20 as both suspect and victim? For no apparent reason in the street? "Plenty"? How many exactly?

Please do share the details ... because that does not accord with my information.

Classic D.B. there. I said that I had read plenty of stories in the local press, and you ask me for statistics!


Here's a local news story from another part of the country:
http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/cont...gory=news&itemid=NOED12 Apr 2007 12:11:26:347
Note the fact that the attackers are thought to be white and armed with knives.

That is the impression I get, and it is of course just an impression.

 

[detective-boy]

Classic D.B. there. I said that I had read plenty of stories in the local press, and you ask me for statistics!

No. I asked for details not statitistics.

I KNOW that there are lots of knives carried and used by all sorts of people. But you are claiming that there have been "plenty" of the types of murder we have seen over the past few weeks in London being carried out in your local area and reported in you local paper.

I think you are talking bollocks in an effort to deny the fact of what is happening ... and your link to an incident in which knives were simply produced causing someone to run away and get seriously injured having been run over in Norfolk hardly fills me with confidence that you are not.

 

[TAE]

No. I asked for details not statitistics.

I KNOW that there are lots of knives carried and used by all sorts of people.

Good.

But you are claiming that there have been "plenty" of the types of murder we have seen over the past few weeks in London being carried out in your local area and reported in you local paper.

I stated that the impression I have is that in my area the majority of stabbings do not appear to be committed by ethnic minorities. Which is not exactly a surprise.

I think you are talking bollocks in an effort to deny the fact of what is happening ...

I think you have no idea about my motivations.

and your link to an incident in which knives were simply produced causing someone to run away and get seriously injured having been run over in Norfolk hardly fills me with confidence that you are not.

That sentence makes no sense.

 

[detective-boy]

That sentence makes no sense.

You have clearly realised that you cannot evidence your "impression" about crime in you area ...

HOW does a non-fatal, non-use of knives in Norwich evidence the existence of fatal stabbings in an area of London ... which is what you propeed it up for?

 

[tbaldwin]

Think yourself, if you can, into the mind of a night news editor.

Teenager stabbed on the street in Clapton - "Yes, that's a story tonight" - and, oh look, the teenager and the suspect were black.

Wife stabbed by jealous husband at home in Carshalton Beeches - "Nah, not a story".

Anyone have any handy stats on how many stabbings are domestics and how many involve the Daily Mail demographic?

Perhaps you really have no idea just how many stabbings and murders go more or less unreported. Black on Black crime might be a bit of an issue at the moment but loads of it has gone unreported.
There are so many Gangs in inner cities,anybody who thinks it is anything like norfolk is living in a dreamworld.

 

[laptop]

Perhaps you really have no idea just how many stabbings and murders go more or less unreported.

If you had the slightest reading comprehension you'd have spotted that I was asking how many go unreported.

And DB's report from his experience is that a great many stabbings are perpetrated by the Daily Mail demographic. Were they or you rational, rather than seeking to spread mythologised fears, you'd be afraid of each other, not gangs.

 

[In Bloom]

There are so many Gangs in inner cities

Do you not think there's a small chance the fact that these stabbings all happened in deprived inner city areas is somewhat more signifigant than the skin colour of the participants?

 

[detective-boy]

Perhaps you really have no idea just how many stabbings and murders go more or less unreported.

Lots of stabbings go entirely unreported, even in the local press often.

But, to be honest, not many "stranger" / public place murders go unreported, even today. That said, it may only consist of a column inch or two on page 3 or 5, with attention lasting only one or two days.

 

[The Pious Pawn]

involve black ppl no offence meant here just a question and why are there more black ppl in prison than at university??

I hope youve got some facts to back this up !

 

[TAE]

You have clearly realised that you cannot evidence your "impression" about crime in you area ...

HOW does a non-fatal, non-use of knives in Norwich evidence the existence of fatal stabbings in an area of London ... which is what you propeed it up for?

Which part of "I stated that the impression I have is that in my area the majority of stabbings do not appear to be committed by ethnic minorities. Which is not exactly a surprise" do you not understand ?

I am do not claim to be from London, nor do I claim to have any specific figures.

 

[detective-boy]

I am do not claim to be from London, nor do I claim to have any specific figures.

So you seek to add to the debate by talking about:

- an unevidenced "impression"
- about a different type of crime
- in a different area.

Excellent! Any "impression" about who commits offences of drink-driving in Rekyavik while you're about it, I'm sure that'd help no end ...

 

[TAE]

Your lame and futile point scoring attempts add far less to the debate than the casual observation that in other parts of the country there does not seem to be a specific problem with black youths stabbing people.

 

[detective-boy]

Your lame and futile point scoring attempts add far less to the debate than the casual observation that in other parts of the country there does not seem to be a specific problem with black youths stabbing people.

You simply do not see the point, do you?

The "problem" here is NOT people stabbing each other, which has happened everywhere for ever and has involved every demographic group. No-one, least of all me, is claiming that only black people stab others, no matter how much YOU wish / assume that was what I was saying.

This is about the particular type of incident - the fatal stabbing and shooting of teenagers, by teenagers, apparently motivated by postcode gang rivalry and other trivialities.

WHERE else is that happening?

 

[TAE]

Let it go. Really.

 

[detective-boy]

Let it go. Really.

You have a bizarre approach to debate, don't you. Make a statement, get called on it and then refuse to engage. What is the point for fuck's sake ...

 

[TAE]

What is your FUCKING problem D.B. ?

 

[detective-boy]

What is your FUCKING problem D.B. ?

Dickheads who post bollocks, implying things they haven't got the balls to come out and say, and who then wriggle when pulled about it.

That is my FUCKING problem. What's yours?

 

[TAE]

Dickheads who post bollocks, implying things they haven't got the balls to come out and say, and who then wriggle when pulled about it.

Of course, reverting to meaningless insults makes your case, yes sir. Troll.



I'll ask you once again ... which part of ...

"I stated that the impression I have is that in my area the majority of stabbings do not appear to be committed by ethnic minorities. Which is not exactly a surprise"

... do you not understand ?

How about ...

"That is the impression I get, and it is of course just an impression."

- not clear enough for you ?

Geez.

 

[detective-boy]

I'll ask you once again ... which part of ... ... do you not understand ?

I understand that ... but that is not what you first posted is it.

What you first posted was the following (inlcuding the quote from my post you used):

Originally Posted by detective-boy
Er ... because the recent incidents in London have mostly involved black youths ...

Not where I live. I've read plenty of stories about white-on-white stabbings in the local press which never made the national news.

THIS is what I don't understand. I was quite obviously talking about the recent incidents in London - I even used those words for the hard of thinking - when I said they mostly (and see that - "mostly" - not "all", even there) - involved black youths.

And you posted what you did, which you later stated was an "impression", rather than evidenced in any way, and was in an area that wasn't London.

Now why would you do that? THAT is what I don't understand.

 

[TAE]

Do you still not understand that I am contrasting the recent events in London with the overall situation in other parts of the country - based on the admittedly scetchy impression I get from the local press ???