Why can't we just have a 'standard' border in Northern Ireland re: Brexit

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by RedStag, Oct 12, 2018.

  1. Idris2002

    Idris2002 perkins saved by moscow gold

    No, you won't, because I'm not going back to Hull again.
     
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  2. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    Right...

    I don't see the connection but we'll just move on
     
  3. Lupa

    Lupa Well-Known Member

    2005 .... post GFA. So you'd have found it easy going across the border.... Did you go through Donegal on the way to Sligo?
     
  4. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    I suspect he went via Waterford and Kerry
     
  5. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge Raddled old poet

    Hull ain't a bad place to be.
     
  6. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

  7. Idris2002

    Idris2002 perkins saved by moscow gold

    That's my point!
     
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  8. Lupa

    Lupa Well-Known Member

    Aye... :)
     
  9. Idris2002

    Idris2002 perkins saved by moscow gold

    It's a long way to Hull if you want to Rock and roll.
     
  10. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge Raddled old poet

    It’s a long way to the shops if you want a sausage roll.
     
  11. Idris2002

    Idris2002 perkins saved by moscow gold

    It's a long way to Tipperary, to the sweetest girl I know.
     
  12. Dogsauce

    Dogsauce Lord of the Dance Settee


    Things can’t stay up for more than about 20 minutes at a time, pretty useless.

    I think Rees Mogg’s idea of an Innovative technological solution probably involves a watchman in the gondola of a dirigible using semaphore flags to communicate any observed wrongdoing to constables on the ground. Failsafe.
     
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  13. RedStag

    RedStag Banned Banned

    so are you trying to say that legitimate haulage firms will openly flout the law...hmm
     
  14. RedStag

    RedStag Banned Banned

    17.4 million people would beg to differ.

    And a no-deal does not need a vote in Commons
     
  15. RedStag

    RedStag Banned Banned

    because the Reamainers will cling at anything to stay in their beloved EU

    Isn't it funny, how all the polite middle classes that never gave one iota of thought about Scotland or Ireland , now suddenly become champions of their respective independence causes, what next, guess they'll be drudging up independence for Kent or something
     
  16. RedStag

    RedStag Banned Banned

    the guy's too busy doing his Grade 5 homework for that
     
  17. RedStag

    RedStag Banned Banned

    Yes, we do - the 17.4 million of UK want that as well as some who voted Remain.

    Brexit is not about Ireland , it 's about the UK - don't you realise that yet?
     
  18. Celyn

    Celyn Well-Known Member

    And Northern Ireland is part of the UK at present.
     
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  19. Lupa

    Lupa Well-Known Member


    Obviously the only solution is to cut England off from Scotland and Wales cos they didn't vote to leave either.
    England could just faff around on its own and leave those countries who don't want to leave to do their own thing.
    But no...There is a British dog in the manger attitude amongst the bexiteers ..."we will leave and we will drag the rest of you kicking and screaming with us."

    As for remainers ...there are now way more of them in the UK that there were a couple of years ago.
    So why not vote again?

    I think Graham Norton puts it well though...

    ""At this point, everyone knows it's a bad idea but there's something very British - and just kind of, well - 'I said, I was hungry enough to eat my foot, so I'm going to eat my foot.'

    :D

     
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  20. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt Dyslexic King Cnut ... the Great.

    *cough*

    Wales did vote to leave by 52.5% to 47.5%.
     
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  21. Lupa

    Lupa Well-Known Member

    Ha ha ha..
    ....obviously Brexit was easier to spell for you, eh?

     
  22. Lupa

    Lupa Well-Known Member

    Oh thanks cupid_stunt ....Wales always backs the wrong team though... lol....
    They'll have to join England at the hip and leave.

    But Scotland and NI should be allowed determine their own future.
     
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  23. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank Self-cleaning oven, the whole bit.

    I'm on record arguing for Kent to be sliced off from Great Britain and shoved off into the north sea.

    As for the rest I think you're looking at it backwards. Most remainers don't want to see the UK break up as a result of brexit. Not wanting a hard border in NI is a different issue and unites all sane and decent people on both sides IME. Ireland has been traumatised enough by British fuckery. Anything that makes the island and its people less whole can only cause further suffering.

    Noticeably the people who think breaking the peace deal in Northern Ireland is a 'price' worth paying are not the ones who will actually have to pay it. It's an imperialist notion, the idea that we have any right to impose a border for our own political convenience. It comes from the same people who are equally happy to say fuck the poor, the migrants, industries and services people need to survive; as long as I get what I want, namely a return to some kind of individual sovereignty that has never existed and never will, fuck the lot of them.
     
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  24. andysays

    andysays Defiantly non-premium member

    I agree that the people of NI should be able to determine their own future, but that shouldn't prevent the people of Britain determining THEIR future.

    The current border arrangements are ultimately incompatible with Brexit, and one way or another they're going to have to change.
     
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  25. Lupa

    Lupa Well-Known Member

    You've pointed out that a majority (very small) want out of the EU.
    But a majority in NI want to remain. NI has been pretty much peaceful since the GFA.
    So why do you think one part of the UK should dominate over another? Why should one UK resident's vote outweigh another UK residents vote? Isn't the voice of someome in NI as important as someone in England?

    NI doesn't want to be part of the Republic. It wants to maintain peace and open borders. It wants to remain in the EU. Arlene Foster does not represent the entire population of NI. She, unfortunately is extremely blinkered and only represents the DUP. She is not a creative thinker. She is not a peacemaker. Unlike David Trimble who actually got it and understood the entirety of what was needed to make NI a peaceful place. And being part of something bigger was what secured and copper fastened peace in NI. Being in the EU allowed NI to breathe and grow.
    Isolationism and being tied to the UK at all costs and losing freedom to move through Ireland will undoubtedly cause massive problems in NI.
    People have tasted freedom of movement and peace. They will not give that up because other in the UK want out of the EU..

    When is a UK resident not equal to their UK neighbour? Brexit will create second class citizens of all of the people living in NI. And the UK will pay dearly for doing that to the people it claims as its own.

    There was a time when we could blame the monarchy for the mess made in Ireland. There was a time when we could blame the British government for the hell that happened in Ireland.
    But now it's the Brexiteers. People whose blinkered perceptions of an isolationist England at all costs will toss their UK neighbours in NI into hell for the sake of what?
    What do you think England will be after this? Do you really think it will be better? Do you think there will be more employment? More business? Do you think the economy will expand? Do you know? I doubt anyone knows...
    But you and the other Brexiteers will have the satisfaction of sitting in the midst of the chaos you've caused for others and saying "not my business..not my monkeys...I'm alright Jack"
     
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  26. Lupa

    Lupa Well-Known Member


    Why is one UK resident's vote considered unequal to another UK resident?
     
  27. andysays

    andysays Defiantly non-premium member

    It isn't. A majority of voters across the UK voted to leave, so the UK will leave.

    If that was prevented from happening because a majority in NI voted to remain, that would effectively be a voter in NI's vote counting more than a voter elsewhere in the UK.
     
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  28. Lupa

    Lupa Well-Known Member


    I know all that...but can you not see how this will fuck up NI ?

    Maybe it's time for all the UK to vote on whether or not NI should be in the UK. Maybe people in England should vote to allow NI to become an independent country...or at least vote to cut it loose.

    But that won't happen because most people don't want to involve themselves in the future of another country.

    Oh...hang on.... doh...
     
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  29. Lupa

    Lupa Well-Known Member

    1922
    Majority of Unionists wanted to remain in the UK. So Ireland was carved up and 6 counties left in the UK.

    2018
    Majority of NI / 6 counties want to remain in the EU. But guess what? They have no voice cos they're not fucking Unionists.
     
  30. Lupa

    Lupa Well-Known Member

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