Why can't we just have a 'standard' border in Northern Ireland re: Brexit

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by RedStag, Oct 12, 2018.

  1. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge Without music, life would be a mistake.

    Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.
  2. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    Cool, like James Bond with lasers and stuff? That'd be ace.

    I thought they generally fired things like Hellfire and Paveway missiles, much as I love fireworks I think we'd all agree that the union has taken a wrong turn if we are using them on ourselves.
  3. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

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  4. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    yeh you'd be shouting up at the drones 'you won't get me i'm part of the union' but to no avail :(
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  5. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    Yes, its probably best not to stand united when it comes to laser guided bombs.
  6. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt Dyslexic King Cnut ... the Great.

    Just so we are all clear, do you think this new member is an idiot?
  7. Lupa

    Lupa Well-Known Member

  8. isvicthere?

    isvicthere? a.k.a. floppybollocks

    Don't sit on the fence, Pippin Took! :thumbs:
  9. Supine

    Supine Rough Like Badger

    This new poster appears to be trying to turn urban into a LBC phone-in :hmm:
  10. Lupa

    Lupa Well-Known Member

    And for your information RedStag Ireland was a sovereign country before it was invaded and colonised by the British Queen Elizabeth 1.
    After the horrors of 1916 and the aftermath the 6 counties remaining in the UK was the worst deal ever for Ireland and it came at a massive cost to the Republic and the North. A cost of lives...in the civil war here which effected every single family living in Eire....

    You know fuck all about Ireland and even less about NI.
    Nobody with a brain in NI wants Brexit. In fact NI voted against Brexit...And the vast majority voted to remain in the EU.
    Brexit: Northern Ireland votes to remain in the EU
    And you think Arlene Foster represents the population if NI?
    Ms Foster is pushing her narrow sectarian unionist agenda. Got it?
    She detests Republicans. She is the most sectarian leader NI has had in years. She is single handedly wrecking the peace in NI for her own stupidity.
  11. isvicthere?

    isvicthere? a.k.a. floppybollocks

    Absolutely spot on, although - pedantic note, sorry - Elizabeth I was the queen of England, not Britain. :(
  12. Celyn

    Celyn Well-Known Member

    While I'm mostly in agreement with you, I am not familiar with this "British Queen Elizabeth 1". I think there was one in England.
  13. Celyn

    Celyn Well-Known Member

    Ah. Too slow. :D
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  14. Lupa

    Lupa Well-Known Member

    Oh yes... true true.. :thumbs:
    I'm afraid my emotions got the better of me..
  15. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    Far too obvious. 2/10
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  16. Lupa

    Lupa Well-Known Member

    Oh do fuck off.
    You're some ignoramus
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  17. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt Dyslexic King Cnut ... the Great.

    Total fucking eejit.
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  18. eatmorecheese

    eatmorecheese Be who you needed when you were younger

    The poor quality of trolls and the lack of effort these days is concerning. No mark (literally) :(
  19. Celyn

    Celyn Well-Known Member

    N. Ireland voted 55.8% remain. Scotland voted 62% remain. Both will be pulled out of the EU anyway. Some not-much-fun times ahead for everyone. Well, not for Rees Mogg and the like.
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  20. littlebabyjesus

    littlebabyjesus one of Maxwell's demons

    Broken Brexit Britain. :(
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  21. Deej92

    Deej92 Member

    The only way to resolve the Irish border issue is for Britain to stay in the single market and customs union. So enjoy the same benefits as being in the EU but without having a say.

    In other words, we may as well scrap Brexit and stay in the EU and stop the disaster that is descending upon us.

    All other options - Canada, Chequers etc... will damage that Irish border and potentially ignite troubles in Northern Ireland as well as causing damage to business and jobs. Do any of us want that?

    It's not too late to stop this Tory hard Brexit.
  22. Lupa

    Lupa Well-Known Member

    Liked but only in solidarity.
    It's really horrible what's going on.
  23. Struwwelpeter

    Struwwelpeter Earthling

    The OP is clearly not interested in the answer to its question, so is clearly trolling. It doesn't even seem to be aware that Farage was only ever elected to an organisation that he will soon no longer be eligible for, but now wants him appointed to government. The troll claims that the constitution is important, but wants someone who is unelected to be PM. Whilst there is some disagreement on what the actual solution is, as an effort in old-fashioned trolling (sewing division on the boards), it has singularly failed, with everyone but the OP suggesting that the "Irish question" is going to be very difficult to answer.

    Edited to last sentence to say what I meant, rather than the opposite.
    Last edited: Oct 12, 2018
  24. likesfish

    likesfish officaly hardest and most tooled up urbanite:)

    much as sitting in my dressing gown working down a kill list while eating monster munch appeals:D:hmm:

    it's not appeasement if you refrain from doing something mind-numbingly stupid because its stupid unfortunately none of the fuckwits in favor of this are going to have to man a vcp and be in harms way so less than a 1/3 of the country can feel good.
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  25. lazythursday

    lazythursday Well-Known Member

    I think people (deliberately?) misunderstand this whole border issue. The Good Friday agreement didn't just set up power sharing - it set up a framework that allowed nationalists to live in Northern Ireland but feel Irish, with all-Ireland institutions etc while letting the unionists still feel British. It was a classic fudge that has (mostly) worked. A hard border just fucks it off completely - and it's about emotion as much as technical trade rules. And unsurprising that the DUP are doing everything they can to see the border return given they were always against the GFA.
  26. Celyn

    Celyn Well-Known Member

    It might be. It is all very unclear. The EU members might get a bit cheesed off with the UK's changes of plan.
  27. Deej92

    Deej92 Member

    I think the EU members would have more time for a leader/party who would respect its four fundamental freedoms - free movement of goods, capital, services and labour.

    May has not respected this in anyway and has insisted on cherry-picking. That's what her Chequers deal is. We'll have a bit of this but not the other.

    Nothing wrong with a change of plan. It's what is needed. In my opinion, only a second referendum or general election will provide the clarity we need.
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  28. In 2005 I drove with my sister from Belfast to Sligo. We were very deep into the Republic before we realised we'd crossed the border.
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  29. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    If I'm ever on a trip with you I'm doing the map reading
  30. Saul Goodman

    Saul Goodman It's all good, man

    Did you wonder why the speed limits were so much higher down here? :D

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