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Why can't we just have a 'standard' border in Northern Ireland re: Brexit

RedStag

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Can't see why there's all this fuss over border issue with NI/ROI - just have regular border with some checks like they have in Norway/Sweden

Seems like a red herring to me, right?
 

Lupa

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Can't see why there's all this fuss over border issue with NI/ROI - just have regular border with some checks like they have in Norway/Sweden

Seems like a red herring to me, right?

You already stated in a post that you'd like to see Arlene Foster as deputy PM.
So you've no fucking clue about Ireland.
:rolleyes:
Seriously.
You're either a troll looking for a hiding or a total idiot
 

kebabking

Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
The practicalities are difficult, but in any moral sense, political or philosophical its completely unacceptable that a nation/state of 60m people should be unable to decide for themselves what political and economic ties they want with their neighbours, and what form the border between them and their neighbours because of what a few hundred people threaten - or may threaten - to do.

It would be illuminating to know if those who those who claim that Brexit must be stopped in order to ensure a 'no' border' on the island of Ireland also believe that the Republic of Ireland should not have been allowed to come to fruition because of what a so.e people in the North thought...

One of the rewards of a no-deal, crash out Brexit - apart from watching Guardian columnists hurl themselves at France from Beachy Head - will be watching an EU member state, Ireland, erect the same border infrastructure that they claimed was unacceptable.

It's the EU's rules that require a physical border between single market and customs union members and non-members - it's their problem, not ours.
 

Winot

I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
The WTO requires us to not discriminate against trading partners - if we don’t inspect goods coming in from Ireland, we can’t inspect those coming in from the US.

Good write up here Does the WTO require countries to control their borders?
I posted something similar the last time this claim (“the EU’s rules”) was made on the main Brexit thread. It doesn’t do any good. The narrative requires that the EU must be blamed.
 

LiamO

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Can't see why there's all this fuss over border issue with NI/ROI - just have regular border with some checks like they have in Norway/Sweden

Seems like a red herring to me, right?
Top trolling!

Because border posts will become targets. Customs officers will become targets, who will need the PSNI to protect them... who will become targets...who will need the british army to protect them... who will become targets
 
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Pickman's model

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Because border posts will become targets. Customs officers will become targets, who will need the PSNI to protect them... who will become targets...who will need the british army to protect them... who will become targets
not to mention the problems it might cause for the all-ireland institutions.
 

Kaka Tim

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The practicalities are difficult, but in any moral sense, political or philosophical its completely unacceptable that a nation/state of 60m people should be unable to decide for themselves what political and economic ties they want with their neighbours, and what form the border between them and their neighbours because of what a few hundred people threaten - or may threaten - to do.

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a few hundred people? - last time i looked the population of the island of Ireland was around 6 million. Only a tiny minority of whom support a return of the border. Do they have to subservient to the whims of people who live in a different country who have minimal interest or understanding of how this will impact their lives?

think about the logic of what you are arguing? It could equally apply to the 500 million people of the EU having to accept the will of a tiny minority who want to leave. and you could have applied the same logic to the attempt to stop the smaller of states of the soviet union fighting for independence. Its classic imperialist, centralised authoritarian bullshit - something which has pretty much defined the history of the relationship between england/britain and Eire for about 500 years. And would very definitely to seen in exactly those terms by most Irish people.


A hard border in n.ireland will be hugely disruptive, bitterly resented and violently resisted - all to assuage the xenophobia of some ignorant twat from clacton who chafes at someone with eastern European accent serving them their gregg's pastie (or however it goes).
 

RedStag

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You need to do some reading up on Irish history, how a border ever came about in the first place, the years of the 'troubles' as a result of it, the Good Friday agreement, etc.
Sure, but this is no reason to betray Brexit and if the troubles come back then let the law deal with it as before - otherwise it's just appeasement
 

RedStag

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You already stated in a post that you'd like to see Arlene Foster as deputy PM.
So you've no fucking clue about Ireland.
:rolleyes:
Seriously.
You're either a troll looking for a hiding or a total idiot
Seeing as Arlene Foster is leader of DUP, and has larger support, holds the Conservative party in power etc. then her being Deputy PM makes sense

Calling 'troll' is rather a pathetic from of argument
 

RedStag

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Take a good look at the Irish border, it's... fluid.

Half of some fields are in one country, half in another.

They couldn't police the border at the height of the troubles, good luck doing it now.
trucks aren't going to be driving goods across fields en masse, so rather an irrelevant point
 

RedStag

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Top trolling!

Because border posts will become targets. Customs officers will become targets, who will need the PSNI to protect them... who will become targets...who will need the british army to protect them... who will become targets
right I get it, so you're just another terrorist appeaser then - let me guess, a Corbynista?:confused:
 

RedStag

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a few hundred people? - last time i looked the population of the island of Ireland was around 6 million. Only a tiny minority of whom support a return of the border. Do they have to subservient to the whims of people who live in a different country who have minimal interest or understanding of how this will impact their lives?
Sure they do, because NI is a territorial part of the UK
 

LiamO

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They couldn't police the border at the height of the troubles, good luck doing it now.
piece of piss, this hard border malarkey

The claim: There are more border crossings in Ireland than on the whole of the EU's eastern border.

Reality Check verdict: This is true - there are 137 land border crossings to the east of the EU, compared with 275 between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.

Reality Check: Ireland's border and Brexit

Driving on one road takes you across the border 4 times in 10 minutes
 
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