Why can't we just have a 'standard' border in Northern Ireland re: Brexit

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by RedStag, Oct 12, 2018.

  1. RedStag

    RedStag Banned Banned

    Can't see why there's all this fuss over border issue with NI/ROI - just have regular border with some checks like they have in Norway/Sweden

    Seems like a red herring to me, right?
     
  2. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt Dyslexic King Cnut the Great.

    You need to do some reading up on Irish history, how a border ever came about in the first place, the years of the 'troubles' as a result of it, the Good Friday agreement, etc.
     
  3. likesfish

    likesfish officaly hardest and most tooled up urbanite:)

    Because people are going to be killed over this.
     
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  4. dessiato

    dessiato Looking for my shopping trolley

    I hope you're wrong, but I think you are right.
     
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  5. PippinTook

    PippinTook Some are born to sweet delight

    Likes but not for what will happen
     
  6. PippinTook

    PippinTook Some are born to sweet delight


    You already stated in a post that you'd like to see Arlene Foster as deputy PM.
    So you've no fucking clue about Ireland.
    :rolleyes:
    Seriously.
    You're either a troll looking for a hiding or a total idiot
     
  7. kebabking

    kebabking Unfettered ambition

    The practicalities are difficult, but in any moral sense, political or philosophical its completely unacceptable that a nation/state of 60m people should be unable to decide for themselves what political and economic ties they want with their neighbours, and what form the border between them and their neighbours because of what a few hundred people threaten - or may threaten - to do.

    It would be illuminating to know if those who those who claim that Brexit must be stopped in order to ensure a 'no' border' on the island of Ireland also believe that the Republic of Ireland should not have been allowed to come to fruition because of what a so.e people in the North thought...

    One of the rewards of a no-deal, crash out Brexit - apart from watching Guardian columnists hurl themselves at France from Beachy Head - will be watching an EU member state, Ireland, erect the same border infrastructure that they claimed was unacceptable.

    It's the EU's rules that require a physical border between single market and customs union members and non-members - it's their problem, not ours.
     
  8. krtek a houby

    krtek a houby how's it going to end?

    A harsh punishment for trolls, sure but these are harsh times.
     
  9. alex_

    alex_ Well-Known Member

    The WTO requires us to not discriminate against trading partners - if we don’t inspect goods coming in from Ireland, we can’t inspect those coming in from the US.

    Good write up here Does the WTO require countries to control their borders?
     
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  10. Mrs D

    Mrs D . Banned

    Let's not join the WTO and their silly rules, we can bask in the sunlit uplands of a truly free and independent nation.
     
  11. Winot

    Winot I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint

    I posted something similar the last time this claim (“the EU’s rules”) was made on the main Brexit thread. It doesn’t do any good. The narrative requires that the EU must be blamed.
     
  12. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    too late for that, chuck
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  13. Artaxerxes

    Artaxerxes Well-Known Member

    Take a good look at the Irish border, it's... fluid.

    Half of some fields are in one country, half in another.

    They couldn't police the border at the height of the troubles, good luck doing it now.
     
  14. 2hats

    2hats

    Leave and join the merry band of: Eritrea, Kiribati, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Monaco, Nauru, North Korea, Palau, San Marino, Somalia, South Sudan, Turkmenistan, and Tuvalu.
     
  15. LiamO

    LiamO Well-Known Member

    Top trolling!

    Because border posts will become targets. Customs officers will become targets, who will need the PSNI to protect them... who will become targets...who will need the british army to protect them... who will become targets
     
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  16. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    not to mention the problems it might cause for the all-ireland institutions.
     
  17. Kaka Tim

    Kaka Tim Crush the Saboteurs!

    a few hundred people? - last time i looked the population of the island of Ireland was around 6 million. Only a tiny minority of whom support a return of the border. Do they have to subservient to the whims of people who live in a different country who have minimal interest or understanding of how this will impact their lives?

    think about the logic of what you are arguing? It could equally apply to the 500 million people of the EU having to accept the will of a tiny minority who want to leave. and you could have applied the same logic to the attempt to stop the smaller of states of the soviet union fighting for independence. Its classic imperialist, centralised authoritarian bullshit - something which has pretty much defined the history of the relationship between england/britain and Eire for about 500 years. And would very definitely to seen in exactly those terms by most Irish people.


    A hard border in n.ireland will be hugely disruptive, bitterly resented and violently resisted - all to assuage the xenophobia of some ignorant twat from clacton who chafes at someone with eastern European accent serving them their gregg's pastie (or however it goes).
     
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  18. RedStag

    RedStag Banned Banned

    Sure, but this is no reason to betray Brexit and if the troubles come back then let the law deal with it as before - otherwise it's just appeasement
     
  19. isvicthere?

    isvicthere? a.k.a. floppybollocks

    :D
     
  20. danny la rouge

    danny la rouge Warning: posts may cause vasovagal presyncope

    Let’s not do that.
     
  21. RedStag

    RedStag Banned Banned

    Seeing as Arlene Foster is leader of DUP, and has larger support, holds the Conservative party in power etc. then her being Deputy PM makes sense

    Calling 'troll' is rather a pathetic from of argument
     
  22. RedStag

    RedStag Banned Banned

    trucks aren't going to be driving goods across fields en masse, so rather an irrelevant point
     
  23. RedStag

    RedStag Banned Banned

    right I get it, so you're just another terrorist appeaser then - let me guess, a Corbynista?:confused:
     
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  24. RedStag

    RedStag Banned Banned

    Sure they do, because NI is a territorial part of the UK
     
  25. Kaka Tim

    Kaka Tim Crush the Saboteurs!

    you forgot to add "end of"
     
  26. RedStag

    RedStag Banned Banned

    end of?? well sure, let the ROI put up a border fence if they like then
     
  27. Supine

    Supine Rough Like Badger

    Either brexit won't happen or there will be a unified Ireland. I can't see how a middle ground can be worked out.

    Unless there is an indefinate delay while unicorn technology is developed.
     
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  28. LiamO

    LiamO Well-Known Member

    piece of piss, this hard border malarkey

    The claim: There are more border crossings in Ireland than on the whole of the EU's eastern border.

    Reality Check verdict: This is true - there are 137 land border crossings to the east of the EU, compared with 275 between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.

    Reality Check: Ireland's border and Brexit

    Driving on one road takes you across the border 4 times in 10 minutes
     
  29. Teaboy

    Teaboy It definitely looks brighter over there..

    We could try a herbaceous border? Pretty sure all options are on the table at the moment.
     
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  30. LiamO

    LiamO Well-Known Member

    BUILD THAT WALL! All 310 miles of it.
     

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