Discussion in 'London and the South East' started by Orang Utan, Nov 2, 2005.
can i interrupt this love-in to ask a question?
just assuming, for a moment, that we play along with java's charade - java, i assume that you accept that SOME places are south london, right? so where's the dividing line? take the case of st thomas's hospital for example - would you agree that elephant&castle is south london? if so, at what point between e&c and st thomas's does south london stop?
But I'm not disputing that waterloo is south of some parts of the river; what I'm trying to say is from the perspective of the map that T&P posted, Waterloo is east of the river.
That is not what I'm saying; once again, in BIG FUCKING CAPITAL LETTERS SO YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND:
FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE MAP THAT T&P POSTED, ST THOMAS' HOSPITAL IS EAST OF THE RIVER. YES, IT IS SOUTH OF OTHER PARTS OF THE RIVER, BUT IT IS EAST OF THIS PARTICULAR POINT.
It's not an exact science. It seldom is.
Otherwise, cities with no rivers dividing them would have no North and South areas would they?
yeah but someone so pedantic as to insist that st thomas's is east of the river not south of the river must surely be pedantic enough to be able to give us a line on the map, eh? unless they've just realised the flaw in their cunning theory, that is ...
But that isn't what i said, is it? I am referring to a particular point on a map of London. You can't deny that it is east of the river at the point to which I'm referring. Further along the river St. Thomas' is south of the Thames, but we were talking about a specific point; at the specific point to which we were referring, it is east of the river.
That's lovely, but you said this:
That is bollocks, and you have said so above. Glad you can admit you are talking shite.
Oh you are clearly a fucking retard. Simple question retard boy, with a yes or no answer:
At the specific point is St Thomas' south of the river?
ok well presumably the points on either side of it are east of the river as well? so at what point does a point which you consider to be east of the river touch a point which you consider to be south of the river?
it isn't a difficult question to grasp.
Well for him it clearly is!
Yes, I said this: It's not south of it at the particular point to which we were referring.
This is the part of the map to which we're referring.
Waterloo and St. Thomas' are east of that part of the river.
Perhaps we should refine this: North London is on the north bank of the river and South London is on the south bank of the river.
Yes, but look north and you can see a river. It is the same river.
Not necessarily. The 'east of the river' observation simply points out that the river doesn't divide all of London in a North-South configuration (not to mention that at times is well off centre and closer to the south end of the city than to the north end).
The fact is that we do not need rivers- or lines, or any other physical boundary- to determine what constitutes north, south, east, west and central. Otherwise cities without river wouldn't have North and South areas. There is such thing as Central London for instance, or Central Paris, or Central Berlin, or Central Any City, and in practically all cases there isn't any physical boundary to mark it off. Sure, there are going to be some areas in which is not clear whether they're 'in or out'. But that is true of any area, anywhere. There is such thing as Southern or Northern England, and counties which are neither here nor there.
Had the Thames run in a perfectly straight line through the centre of London you could argue with a bit more reason about classifying anything south of it as South London. But it doesn't, and there are areas north of the river which are clearly not North London (or West for that matter) and areas to the right bank of the river which can hardly be anything other than Central London.
how long have you been over here?
what about birminghham btw?
urban in 'realising how everyone saaf of river calls it' shocker'!
Millwall - North London according to some of the nutters on this thread
To be fair I think people have been confused as Millwall's ground is in Bermondsey and so assume that the area is Millwall too.
Thgat wouldn't lead them to the conclusion that Millwall is in north London, though. I think the previous poster is referring to the fact that anything north of the river has been deemed to be north London.
Which it is. Let's not start this one again!
It's a funny thread that never reached a conclusion.
So it's not cos it has been debated elsewhere?
I just liked the idea of Putney not being considered South London.
I've just 'liked' one of your posts from 2005 - does that help?
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