Why and how do we pick some to support and commemorate and not others

[Taxamo Welf]

All I see is someone whining about how someone should do something.

well mate, in the nicest possible way, you are miles out.

D2002 has made some very prescient political moves, and like he's said has been about for donkeys.

...in fact the perfect MO to give up and moan at everyone else on tinterweb ha ha

 

[durruti02]

well mate, in the nicest possible way, you are miles out.

D2002 has made some very prescient political moves, and like he's said has been about for donkeys.

...in fact the perfect MO to give up and moan at everyone else on tinterweb ha ha

 

[mauvais]

bwah ha haa!

wtf man, i didn't cobble this together myself, its been called by 2 political organisations! Its not my suggestion for a fun afternoon about town

Simply: calls for events such as this have been made; regardless, we think people should be aware of the situation in spain; we would hold something similar for anyone else.

An antifascist kid dies confronting a nazi and you are asking why this seems to ring a bell with antifascists worldwide. Hmm!

All I'm saying is that if it's true that people favour foreign, distant causes - whether this over stuff at home, the war in Iraq over people on the streets here, and so on - then what I said is probably a factor.

It may well be that the OP's claim doesn't hold true, and the death of an antifascist would garner the same level of interest wherever it occurred, I don't know.

 

[Blagsta]

well mate, in the nicest possible way, you are miles out.

D2002 has made some very prescient political moves, and like he's said has been about for donkeys.

...in fact the perfect MO to give up and moan at everyone else on tinterweb ha ha

I don't know him from Adam, all I can go by is what I see here. I see a moany old git obsessed by immigration, "the left" and people not doing things his way.

I'm happy to be wrong though.

 

[treelover]

I agree with Durutti and Mauvais, to a point, the Uk Left is guilty of faux internationalism and grandstanding (particularly in the past, eg SWP.) But it also has a history of genuine internationalism: Int brigade, food for spain, nigaragua, anti-apartheid, palestine etc. Many of these interventions made some difference. I also think in this instance, he was a very young boy, its bloody tragic and i can see why it resonates with other young men and women in antifa, etc, in fact its quite moving they want to honour him.. My problem is a wider point: it shouldn't be either or, solidarity here is sadly generally directed towards other countries and struggles rather than just occassionally at home.

Durutti is right, the organic link between the left and 'the masses'(dreadful term and useless in a time of extreme individualism,) is broken though Orwell would question whether it ever existed, I would say it definitely did in some ways from about the misery of WW1 and the comradeships forged in it, to the 1970's.

anyway, as the poster for the event says

Carlos Presente...

 

[treelover]

So what have you done since the RTS days then Blagsta?


only arskin like...

 

[Blagsta]

So what have you done since the RTS days then Blagsta?


only arskin like...

I'm not the one whining that people aren't doing things am I?

 

[nino_savatte]

the Uk Left is guilty of faux internationalism and grandstanding

What? All of them? I've asked you this question before but you ducked it: what are you? Right or left? I get the feeling that you're one of those shy right wingers who only shows his true colours when he craps on about the 'left' or voices his wholehearted support for tighter immigration controls.

 

[poster342002]

I get the feeling that you're one of those shy right wingers who only shows his true colours when he craps on about the 'left' or voices his wholehearted support for tighter immigration controls.

I don't know many rightwingers who oppose the disgraceful Welfare Reform Act.

I know plenty on the cod-left, however, that passively support it by refusing to oppose it or even say anything about it at all. In fact, the vast majority of the cod-left seem to have taken a vow of silence on the matter.

 

[treelover]

Aye, Moi, right wing? oh, how we laughed....

 

[treelover]

Did you read the next bit, I just think the Left has made some wrong moves, ok?

But it also has a history of genuine internationalism: Int brigade, food for spain, nigaragua, anti-apartheid, palestine etc.

 

[In Bloom]

Yes. Yes it is, and that's exactly the question I was answering. Have a gold star.

Right, so when you started speculating on why antifa might be holding this memorial in honour of a murdered antifascist, you weren't talking about why antifascists might memorialise another antifascist? Got it. Makes perfect fucking sense.

 

[nino_savatte]

Aye, Moi, right wing? oh, how we laughed....

Aye, how we all laughed as you laid into the "left" again. You spend a lot of time doing it. Quel barbe.

 

[nino_savatte]

Did you read the next bit, I just think the Left has made some wrong moves, ok?

You aren't doing anything to help. If anything you're applying to be one of the pall bearers at its funeral.

 

[_angel_]

I don't know many rightwingers who oppose the disgraceful Welfare Reform Act.

I know plenty on the cod-left, however, that passively support it by refusing to oppose it or even say anything about it at all. In fact, the vast majority of the cod-left seem to have taken a vow of silence on the matter.

Aye.

 

[treelover]

It's not just here, in Germany the so called "left party' whch is in coalition with the SPD(new labour) in the region of Berlin have even pushed through some very draconian benefit cuts, housing benefit reforms, welfare to work, etc.

 

[Thora]

We support and commemorate people we have a connection to.

Antifa organisations are commemorating this boy because he was killed for being antifa.

If someone in my neighbourhood was killed I'm commemorate them because they lived in my neighbourhood.

I'm not going to go turning up to random people's funerals though.

 

[durruti02]

I don't know him from Adam, all I can go by is what I see here. I see a moany old git obsessed by immigration, "the left" and people not doing things his way.

I'm happy to be wrong though.

you are wrong my friend .. i am what i said above and what tax says .. (and there are plenty on here who can vouch for that whether they agree with me or not)

( and by the way i am not obsessed about immigration but to the lefts reaction to it ..and so yes i do moan about the left .. and yes i can be negative and confrontational BUT .... check my threads list .. tell me if there is anyone else on here is is posting more interesting threads about how we can reorganize

 

[durruti02]

no thats a bit of a leap mate.

This is a very specific thing, there is plenty we get on over here.

Look at yourself ffs! You are an anarchist, maybe things have dided down a bit now, bu the stuff you were doing in hackney was dynamite. Was that not relevant?

Either it was not relevant or you are not an anarchist, which is it comrade!

ok fair play .. i was talking about my beloved 'left' again .. ye sthere is a lot we do that is relevent

( p.s. i want to find out more about this agency thing you are doing .. could you do a thread?)

p.s. not sure if i am an @

 

[durruti02]

I agree with Durutti and Mauvais, to a point, the Uk Left is guilty of faux internationalism and grandstanding (particularly in the past, eg SWP.) But it also has a history of genuine internationalism: Int brigade, food for spain, nigaragua, anti-apartheid, palestine etc. Many of these interventions made some difference. I also think in this instance, he was a very young boy, its bloody tragic and i can see why it resonates with other young men and women in antifa, etc, in fact its quite moving they want to honour him.. My problem is a wider point: it shouldn't be either or, solidarity here is sadly generally directed towards other countries and struggles rather than just occassionally at home.

Durutti is right, the organic link between the left and 'the masses'(dreadful term and useless in a time of extreme individualism,) is broken though Orwell would question whether it ever existed, I would say it definitely did in some ways from about the misery of WW1 and the comradeships forged in it, to the 1970's.

anyway, as the poster for the event says

Carlos Presente...

good post .. but actually teh bit that hit me the most was

"I also think in this instance, he was a very young boy, its bloody tragic and i can see why it resonates with other young men and women in antifa, etc, in fact its quite moving they want to honour him." .. my son is 18 .. so fair play .. but i still rewind to OP

 

[durruti02]

We support and commemorate people we have a connection to.

Antifa organisations are commemorating this boy because he was killed for being antifa.

If someone in my neighbourhood was killed I'm commemorate them because they lived in my neighbourhood.

I'm not going to go turning up to random people's funerals though.

fair play but the OP i think is asking why we have the connections we have and why we don't have the connections we need and maybe that the two are connected

 

[mauvais]

Right, so when you started speculating on why antifa might be holding this memorial in honour of a murdered antifascist, you weren't talking about why antifascists might memorialise another antifascist? Got it. Makes perfect fucking sense.

Yes, because the question was, of course:

"why might antifa be holding this memorial in honour of a murdered antifascist?"

and not, of course:

"why not all the other brave young men who are now dieing regularly on our streets in THIS country ?"

which isn't even remotely similar to what it says in the OP.

 

[Taxamo Welf]

We support and commemorate people we have a connection to.

Antifa organisations are commemorating this boy because he was killed for being antifa.

If someone in my neighbourhood was killed I'm commemorate them because they lived in my neighbourhood.

I'm not going to go turning up to random people's funerals though.

really? Thats like the 11th principle of the AF. People are always too polite to ask how you knew the deceased and there are some cracking sarnies if your quick.

 

[kyser_soze]

No heroes, no martyrs.

 

[Taxamo Welf]

No heroes, no martyrs.

hark at johnny rotten over here