Who's going to win the F1 Championship?

[kained&able]

I loved the way ITV cited an 'incident in the first lap' which put Hamilton down the grid... nothing to do with the fact that he fucked it up all by himself.

What a week for English sports though - football, rugby, F1 and snooker. I mean, come on!

what losing all his gears/gearing programmes for 40 secs is lewis fault how?

As for how long did it take mansell thew answer is about 12 years, but six of them were in a very dire lotus. He acheived two 2nd places a in the drivers championship during his first stint at willaims in about 86, then had 2 years in possibly the shitests ferrai car of all time. Then won a championship and had another 2nd place back at williams.

Then went to indy car and pissed all over it. Thats not bad going.

As for button henman and all and for that matter the english football team they suffer from the normal english sporting delusions. The second anyone has any success then they should be winning world championships, the second they don't win it they are shit. Its like we don't understand the concept of merely being good. It pisses me right off.


dave

 

[London_Calling]

Doesn't it come down to why the third stop ?

It makes no sense at all, does it?

 

[kained&able]

doubt hamilton will be responsible for that. My thereoy about the third stop was he was using a very hifgh fuel setting in an effort to catch up to kubica and rosenberg or whomever was fighting for 5th place.

Just couldn't find the pace.


dave

 

[El Sueno]

I also heard this comment on the tv commentary but didn't think it worthy of repeating - just the usual vacuous, empty headed journo drivel.

Do you really take you lead from bullshit tv commentators?

Haha, no I don't remember hearing that actually. I thought it to myself yesterday as I sat down to watch the snooker. But 'bullshit'? Whatever...

 

[El Sueno]

what losing all his gears/gearing programmes for 40 secs is lewis fault how?

dave

No, I was referring to the 'incident' in the first lap.

 

[g force]

doubt hamilton will be responsible for that. My thereoy about the third stop was he was using a very hifgh fuel setting in an effort to catch up to kubica and rosenberg or whomever was fighting for 5th place.

Just couldn't find the pace.


dave

Who were using illegal fuel that according to Mike Gascoigne could give up to 10bhp more.

 

[TAE]

The championship was lost in China and Germany, not in Brazil.

However I agree with cliche guevara, Hamilton has been fantastic (much better than any of us, for sure) and should be encouraged, not criticised.

 

[kained&able]

Who were using illegal fuel that according to Mike Gascoigne could give up to 10bhp more.

Ah yes forgot about that bit was half asleep when i read bout that last night. Is that confirmed or jsut a silly rumour?

I thought all the fuel was provided by the same company from the same tanks?????


dave

 

[TAE]

I hate it when they completely change the contents of links!

Anyway, this story which I linked to earlier showed that it is not a silly rumor, even though it has been updated now:
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2007/10/7023.html

 

[kained&able]

ahh i see its not the feul that was the problem it was a cooling system of some kind, that makes abit more sense.


dave

 

[oake]

Who were using illegal fuel that according to Mike Gascoigne could give up to 10bhp more.

I understand that the benefits of the colder fuel (allegedly 3ºC lower than regulation), are:

1. It is slightly denser, which would enable it to be pumped into a car slightly more quickly, thus (very) marginally reducing pit-stop time.

2. A greater mass of fuel could be burnt in the engine, thus increasing the power output slightly, but this would last only until the fuel reached ambient temperature, probably within a lap or so.

All in all, the advantage gained would be very small, and it's unlikely that a team would risk disqualification by deliberately altering the fuel temperature - more likely to be a cock-up or malfunction.

 

[Ich bin ein Mod]

Isn't the ruling that it has to be within a certain percentage of the air temp? If so, couldn't it simply be down to the incredibly high temperatures at the GP?

 

[kained&able]

i would have thought so. every team uses the same fuel from the same tanks. So either williams had something that cooled the temp in the tank or its just a bit random.

dave

 

[Descartes]

The reason for the checks, espacially at Sao Paulo, altitude and temperature and subsequently air /fuel mix. Colder fuel, cools air and denser charge of air/fuel.

Benefits, 10 to 15 BHP.....

What was nice, the Mclaren guys got together with the team manager and did a surprise presentation of a copy of the World Constructors Championship Vase to Ron Dennis, .... engraved, from the team.

Somebody commented, As long as the FIA dont chase us for copying their vase.

Ron Dennis said he would take it home.

 

[mtbskalover]

a friend of my old mans who is a big kart racer reckons its all conspiracy related to the ferrai law suite.

by loosing the last two races and allowing ferrai the championship the penatly/fine towards Mclaren will be smaller.

 

[Descartes]

Not so much a conspiracy more a carefully choreographed finale to a good season, all the ingredients to enthral and maintain the frenzied crowd's attention.

Martin Brundle during one of his grid walks, stopped and asked David Coulthard who he thought would win the championship that year.

The immediate succinct reply was, " You better ask Bernie"

If you consider the sequence of events and the people involved, the hierarchy of the FIA and the money involved..... no way are they going to allow this to get away from them.

The last Grand Prix of the season to decide the title....... the script writers... Tee hee.

Consider, Jordan racing have a young German protege, they are asked to go to Japan to arrange a possible contract with Toyota... while they are away, the young German signs for Benetton ... and MTV the German television company suddenly become interested, to the point of even buying shares in Formula One holding company.
Jordan returned without the engine deal and the young German driver.

The rest is history.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Mclaren have some fuckin nerve,damn lucky that Hamilton and Alonso were able to contest the championship right up to yesterdays race after the spying affair

well yes and no in a fair non biased world then ferarri would also have been equally disqualified s the information went both ways however they didn't discuss pulling out of F1 to start rival series and Mcleren don't have a 80% majority on the FIA council...

so you figger that one out...

 

[Descartes]

Gingerman, try reading the transcript for the two hearings... bias is a soft word to describe the hearing.

Ignore what the papers say.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Gingerman, try reading the transcript for the two hearings... bias is a soft word to describe the hearing.

you mean the team being unaware of the technical notes and not having used any information from them and the team principal not being aware of it and indeed actually telling the FIA the moment that it was discovered (via Alonso threatening the team with exposure of his consprisy to cheat if he wasn't promoted to number 1 in the team) them instantly dismissing the technical people responsible and handing over every single document about the entire seasons car without request to prove their innocence in the matter, whilst accepting responsiblity for the actions of their two staff members who deleiberately went out to cheat. and dispite ferarri not being nearly as candid and refusing to conceed whether they had used any information hey had recieved not providing document and evidence you mean type of bias...

McCleren were robbed Alonso should be banned for life and Ferarri should be equally fined.

That'll never happen though.

I'd agree about this year being very much chorographed and Bernie even said as much on the grid walk saying who'd win the race and who'd not be winning the championship. As he'd said earlier in the year that he'd be supporting and indeed expecting Alonso to win before the spygate issues came out.

One can expect he was none to plesed at having to alter his plans to suit the spainard. On the other theatrical side of things Max is Oswalds son, one wonders how he might have taken a Black world champion who out shone the rest of the white field in many ways theres an element of Jessie Owens here...

 

[butchersapron]

Are you suggesting that Max Mosely is a racist or a facist? Or both?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Are you suggesting that Max Mosely is a racist or a facist? Or both?

no you are...

i'm merely sugesting that there's certainly an element of the whole I'm not shaking hands with him type affair... it would be ludicrous to suggest any thing further knowing how litigious F1 can be...

do you think the apple falls far from the tree butch?

 

[butchersapron]

No, you're suggesting that he is racist. Quite clearly. You do it again in the next post. Whilst he may be a knob it's bit shit to call him a racist or a fascist with absolutely no evidence. Very shitty and morally bankrupt.

Are you a rich cunt with rich cunt bigotries because of your background?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

you into motorsport butch?

you ever been to the black tie events held for motor sport, heard what's said behind closed doors?

ever wondered why there's a predomently white male culture with in motorsport?

for someone in the antifa scene you seem woefully oblivous to the culture with in it...

 

[butchersapron]

So, i ask again, are you suggesting that Max Mosely is a racist or a facist? Or both?

And do you share the bigotries of your upbringing?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

So, i ask again, are you suggesting that Max Mosely is a racist or a facist? Or both?

I refer the learned gentleman to my previous answer...

And do you share the bigotries of your upbringing?

I think it would be foolish to say that the sins of the father aren't in some way visitied upon the son... some you can over come some you can repress but you are both the physical and indeed theological ake up of your parents and they have more input into forming you than just about anyone else (or more true i guess to say that who ever raises you has this input) But also i see fundemantal flaws and downsides to my upbringing however i would never charchterise myself as being either typical or atypical in order to base the comparision.

so i'll ask the questions you have avoided, again.

you into motorsport butch?

you ever been to the black tie events held for motor sport, heard what's said behind closed doors?

ever wondered why there's a predomently white male culture with in motorsport?

well?

 

[Descartes]

Woo Hoo.... GLC, I would refer anyone to the history of the Mosley family and the political prediliction, It would be very nice to assume that the son and father thing has not had some sort of influence but..

The black tie and tails creates its own community, the racing world at all levels is a very small community, people knowing people and aware of the hierarchical structure...

The influence of the ex ferrari team manager on the FIA commitee is succinctly phrased by the McLaren counsel in his opening statement, Could we have ther espect of slience from the gentleman on the right, three guess 's as to who that remark was addressed to....

The legal argument that Mr Picininni (spl) should not have been present as a voting member was accepted but at no time was he restricted to the position of observer.

The histroy and influence of Bernie is chronicled time and again and the common knowledge of how he paid team owners, how team owners worked from telephone boxes with a handful of change before receiving their prize money to allow them to pay their staff.....

Bernie's and his wifes involvement, SEC ownership of circuits and the ... well it just rambles on and on.....

I am inclined to think that Buctch is looking in from the outside and unaware of the realities.