Who will you be voting for? May 2018 local elections - Brixton and Lambeth chat

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Who will you be voting for?

  1. Blairite Labour

    4 vote(s)
    7.4%
  2. Tory scum

    1 vote(s)
    1.9%
  3. Lib Dems

    3 vote(s)
    5.6%
  4. Green

    21 vote(s)
    38.9%
  5. Independent

    2 vote(s)
    3.7%
  6. Socialist

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Rachel Heywood

    12 vote(s)
    22.2%
  8. UKIP or other right wing knuckleheads

    2 vote(s)
    3.7%
  9. Other (please state)

    1 vote(s)
    1.9%
  10. I will be controlling the result via Russian social media interference

    8 vote(s)
    14.8%
  1. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    The council results service had some weird picture of a lady being comforted by Lib Peck. Surely the person was too short to be Rachel. Surely. Hope so anyway. I would find being hugged by Lib Peck a bit like being given therapy by a management consultant.
     
  2. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Apparently not. Voter ID is being done in a few areas in London

    Friend in south London had to show ID. Which means passport or driving license.
     
  3. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Rachel didnt get in.
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    :(
     
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  4. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    I'm so sad about that. A real disappointment given all the work she's done for the community.
     
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  5. RubyToogood

    RubyToogood can't remember what goes here

    Only one Green elected in Gipsy Hill. It's a good start but I would have liked a clean sweep so slightly disappointed. The Greens really threw everything at it too. There again, so did Labour. One Green elected in Herne Hill too.
     
  6. RubyToogood

    RubyToogood can't remember what goes here

    Hang on, what's this? 3 Greens elected in St Leonard's? What's going on there?
     
  7. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    usw
    It's all about brand recognition - and alphabetical issues.
    Becca Thackeray was a Herne Hill Green Party councillor 2006-2010 and clearly still has residual support.

    St Leonards - you had an incumbent Green councillor (Ainsley) plus a senior party figure who does TV from time to time PLUS from recollection St Leonards must be the ideal Green-type ward. Not much by way of estates, a lots of bedsits/small flats plus some larger homes. The sort of people I imagine might easily vote for the Greens.

    As for Gipsy Hill - it's sad that all three three Greens did not make it, but that result illustrates the archetypal principle that name order on the ballot paper aids the winners:

    cutting and pasting from Tricky Skills

    Bennett Lab 2054 ELECTED
    Brathwaite Lab 2063 ELECTED
    Davies LD 132
    Davis Con 271
    Dodds UKIP 42
    Elliott Green 1922 ELECTED
    Haylett LD 101
    Hooberman Con 208
    Kennett UKIP 36
    Kimm Con 229
    Morriss UKIP 31
    Murphy Lab 1778
    Newell Green 1903
    Riaz LD 124
    Rocks Green 1647

    Final point - I think the Tulse Hill Greens get a special mention for indefatigability (and a good result from nowhere) ViolentPanda
     
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  8. Tricky Skills

    Tricky Skills I demand tea - NOW!

    Greens already had one Cllr in Scott Ainslie. Jon Barltey (national Co-Leader) narrowly missed out in 2014. Now he's in. Lambeth is the only Council in the UK where a national party Leader is also a Cllr. St Leonard's was always a target seat for the Greens in 2018.

    The disappointing thing about Herne Hill is that the 'independent' candidate Nick Edwards split the bloody Green vote. He was a Green party member. He wasn't selected as a candidate and so threw a wobbler, picking up 700+ indie votes.

    If they had gone to the genuine Greens then Labour would be toast in Herne Hill.

    Jim Dickson was looking rather uneasy throughout the entire count.
     
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  9. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    When I was doing leaflets for Rachel saw Rashid out and about in Coldharbour. He deserves to be Green Cllr for the effort he has put in over recent years.

    Its kind of depressing that in Brixton we will have to deal with three anti Corbyn New Labour robots for next years.

    Which means no one to argue community corner on issues like the arches, adventure playgrounds and the" regeneration" of central Brixton.
     
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  10. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    The Nick Edwards standing as "libraries" candidate comes across to me as ego driven. Purposely screwing it up for official Green candidate.

    I don't understand some politicos. The enemy is New Labour in Lambeth. Greens stood a good chance. It would have been good to get rid of New Labour scum like Dickson. An appalling Blairite.

    But no Edwards would rather pick a fight with Green party. Wanker.
     
  11. brixtonblade

    brixtonblade Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the blog today and for covering the election ... Coverage makes all the chatter mean something. Maybe...
     
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  12. Johnlj123

    Johnlj123 Active Member

    Also want to give my thanks to Tricky Skills... followed your live twitter feed & BrixtonBuzz updates all day for Lambeth election results. Very informative and entertaining. Even though the HH result came very near the end. Disappointing the Indy candidate split the vote in Herne Hill.
     
  13. Rushy

    Rushy AKA some / certain posters

    I can't bear Dickson and would have been delighted to see him go. I was making this complaint about Edwards to someone this morning. I don't know the story of how the three greens were elected but the person I was chatting to did point out that his votes were extremely respectable for an independent and that maybe there was an argument that some fault lay with the greens for not selecting such a strong candidate as one of their three.
     
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  14. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    Good to see you at the count! :D
     
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  15. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    From what I could glean (as a Green Party member in a neighbouring branch), Nick didn't put himself forward for selection, assuming he'd be nominated as a candidate as of right. When he wasn't selected, he got in a tizz and stood as an indie instead, rather than facing up to his own failure and falling in behind his colleagues. Because of his ego, Jim Dickson is still a Herne Hill councillor. Not a great political legacy, that.
     
  16. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    It was lovely to see Luke Murphy crash and burn. Seeing the petulant expression on his face as it became obvious he was out, was a highlight of the count for me (as, to be honest, was the opportunity to ask him "excuse me, are you Lying Luke Murphy?").

    Yep, we didn't do too badly for a scratch campaign with hardly any infrastructural support from the local Green Party (who, quite rightly, used their resources to support our target wards of Herne Hill, Gipsy Hill and Streatham St Leonards).
     
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  17. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    He also boasted on Twitter about how he was going to get "up to £150 compensation" from Thames Water for his constituents. Imagine their disappointment when the majority of them got £30. Another gobshite who sees being a councillor as a stepping stone to greater political office, rather than as the public service it's supposed to be.
     
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  18. brixtonblade

    brixtonblade Well-Known Member

    You too. Your result was very good :thumbs:
     
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  19. Slo-mo

    Slo-mo Banned Banned

    With a list that long I'm not surprised it favoured those near the top. Perhaps they'd do better issuing three ballot papers for each of the three positions available then there would only three to six names on each.
     
  20. BusLanes

    BusLanes Pedestrian

    Yeah the alphabetical order thing is pretty mad - but it works. Just looking at results in various wards where clearly people were standing as a favour to their parties, the ones at the top usually got quite a bit more than their fellow party candidates
     
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  21. Slo-mo

    Slo-mo Banned Banned

    In Scotland in 2007 a lot of parties were standing and the ballot paper was listed by party name. The SNP chose the call themselves "Alex Salmond for first minister" to get at the top of the list. The election was close, and some pundits credit the SNPs success to that very factor. When you think it led to the Sindy ref and the subsequent big SNP gains at Westminster.....

    Anyway back to Lambeth....
     
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  22. BusLanes

    BusLanes Pedestrian

    Hah that is mad!

    Believable though. Looking at Oval's voting papers - we saw another ploy - with the Green's Keene - labeled as lead candidate or something
     
  23. colacubes

    colacubes Well-Known Member

    There’s been a few academic studies about whether you’re more likely to be elected if your name is higher in the alphabet and it is a thing. Am out and about so no time to post links but there’s one by Rallings and Thraher off the top of my head if anyone is interested.
     
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  24. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    My preference would be to return to the original way we voted - "by thirds" This still applies in many places outside London.
    Basically one ward councillor comes up for election every year (though you can still have two or three per ward).

    One advantage would be the ability of the voters to administer a mid-term kicking to an administration instead of having to suffer in silence for four years as at present.

    And as you say the ballot papers would suddenly become much easier to read and vote with.
     
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  25. Slo-mo

    Slo-mo Banned Banned

    I do think being nearer the top would be less of an issue on a three or four person ballot paper or even on a five or six person one, than on a nine to eighteen person paper.

    Election by thirds works reasonably well in rUK, presumably you would then hold the London Mayoral election in the fourth year.

    This would of course double the number of local/regional elections in London and that obviously has a cost.
     
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  26. cupid_stunt

    cupid_stunt & dyslexic cnut.

    Speaking personally I fucking hate the 1/3 up for grabs system.

    Every fucking year we're expected to vote in council elections, 3 out 4 for the borough council & the other year for the county council, can't arsed, given up TBH.
     
  27. Tricky Skills

    Tricky Skills I demand tea - NOW!

    NO! They are a bloody nightmare. They favour the ruling party as basically nothing ever changes.

    Hang on - a bit like every four years in Lambeth...

    But they are costly as well. It would be around £150,000 - £200,000 every year to stage one.

    Nice little earner for the Returning Officer though.
     
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  28. Tricky Skills

    Tricky Skills I demand tea - NOW!

  29. Tricky Skills

    Tricky Skills I demand tea - NOW!

  30. Slo-mo

    Slo-mo Banned Banned

    I don't see how election by thirds favours the ruling party, because they have to face the electorate three years out of four.
     
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