Who will you be voting for? May 2018 local elections - Brixton and Lambeth chat

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Who will you be voting for?

  1. Blairite Labour

    4 vote(s)
  2. Tory scum

    1 vote(s)
  3. Lib Dems

    3 vote(s)
  4. Green

    22 vote(s)
  5. Independent

    2 vote(s)
  6. Socialist

    1 vote(s)
  7. Rachel Heywood

    12 vote(s)
  8. UKIP or other right wing knuckleheads

    2 vote(s)
  9. Other (please state)

    1 vote(s)
  10. I will be controlling the result via Russian social media interference

    8 vote(s)
  1. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    We've had dealings with the gentleman on Brixton Buzz.

    Michael Groce found guilty of using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour with intent at No 6 Somerleyton Road
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  2. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    There are rules that both the Green party agent and Lambeth's returning officer presumably have checked out:

    You can’t be a councillor if you have been sentenced to prison for 3 months or more (including suspended sentences) during the last five years

    If you’re looking to stand in an election to become a local councillor, the Local Government Act 1972 (section 80) states that if you have been convicted and received a prison sentence (or suspended sentence) of three months or more in the five years before the election, you are unable to stand in the election.

    This ‘5 year rule’ applies even if the prison (or suspended) sentence becomes spent. This is because of section 7 (1)(d) of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974.

    For example, in May 2015, you wish to stand for election as a local councillor. In January 2012, you were sentenced as an adult to a prison sentence of 4 months. Under the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974, this conviction becomes spent 2 years after the end of the sentence, so May 2014. However, because you have been given a sentence of more than 3 months within the previous 5 years to the election, you are disqualified for that election.

    I don't think the Lib Dems would have cleared him as a candidate - being familiar with their vetting process.
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  3. RubyToogood

    RubyToogood can't remember what goes here

    Hearing encouraging reports of the Labour councillor (Jennifer Braithwaite) getting a very hard time about the Central Hill estate on doorsteps in Gipsy Hill.
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  4. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    I quite like her. Was a constituent of mine in the 1990s I think.
    Pity when nice people get morally compromised by machine politics.

    A Green win in Gipsy Hill would send shock waves through Labour - though I imagine with Ted Knight as chair of the ward Labour Party it might terminate the Progress faction at least in that ward.
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  5. Tricky Skills

    Tricky Skills I demand tea - NOW!

    Or possibly even the opposite. If Labour lose Gipsy Hill then watch Progress turn on Corbyn and Ted Knight for their own personal failings :facepalm:

    Edit to add: if Progress retain Gipsy Hill then it will be "despite Corbyn and Ted Knight..."
    Last edited: Apr 19, 2018
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  6. BusLanes

    BusLanes Pedestrian

    Oh, you were a councillor? Where/when, if you don't mind me asking
  7. BusLanes

    BusLanes Pedestrian

    The People's Audit hustings sounded pretty brutal, if the twitter hashtag is anything to go by
  8. RubyToogood

    RubyToogood can't remember what goes here

    I did feel that talking to her she must have gone into it for the right reasons. But nah. I was deeply unimpressed by the cynical electioneering over the state of our road. Apparently this is a thing - a friend in Croydon has just had her road resurfaced. Presumably in a marginal ward.

    I had one of the Green candidates round this evening. Nice young woman with interesting tats.
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  9. RubyToogood

    RubyToogood can't remember what goes here

    Also, is losing one ward to the Greens really going to trouble Labour that much?
  10. Tricky Skills

    Tricky Skills I demand tea - NOW!

    Losing just one Cllr will REALLY trouble them. This is how the game works. It is brutal. Election counts can be nasty affairs. Every single vote really does matter.

    If the Progress group can keep their 59 Cllr's - or even gain some seats - then it is seen as a mandate to press on with the current regeneration project.

    Any reduction in the number helps some of the Labour Cllr's not fully signed up to the Progress project to feel a little easier about offering some constructive internal opposition.

    Thinking back, it was a bloody brave thing that Rachel Heywood did. She was alone in speaking out publicly on book-ish gyms. They savaged her over that, more as a warning to anyone else who might be thinking of questioning the Progress Cabinet.
  11. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    I don't know if there is a full report coming, but I had a front row seat.

    I would say Ashley Lumsden (former Lib Dem leader until 2012 or so) came over very well.

    Lib Peck said her piece and said what she wanted to say against a somewhat hostile audience (not a barracking one though).

    Scott Ainslee was good - he is a bit overpowering à la Galloway. 10/10 for passion, 5/10 for introspection.

    Janet Baker, Women's Equality party was well-presented but her party's policies are not specifically local. Her responses to question represented sound common sense. If elected she would probably do just fine as a councillor.

    Rachel Heywood gave a personal response tailored to her years as a councillor and her vision of the Brixton community.

    Tim Briggs was typical Tory - the cuts are all eyewash, Wandsworth is the epitome of excellence etc.
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  12. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

  13. BusLanes

    BusLanes Pedestrian

    Ok turnout at the Windrush demo just now. I must have been standing right next to the Labour people based on their Twitter photos
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  14. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Makes you wonder what the turnout would have been, say, 10 or 15 years ago,
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  15. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member


    Dear Friends:

    We now have a new leaflet ready to get out, we will be meeting at the following times this weekend, it would be great if you could spare an hour or two. Here is the Link for more info MEET RACHEL & EVENTS

    Details also attached

    A small team of us will be working on this non-stop between now and 3rd May, so we would love any support any time that suits you, just get in touch,

    Thanks so much,


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  16. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

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    Gramsci Well-Known Member

  18. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

  19. BusLanes

    BusLanes Pedestrian

    Not bad leaflet - although maybe a bit too much text with her quote. Still, everyone has an opinion on leaflets
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  20. BusLanes

    BusLanes Pedestrian

    The housing hustings seem to have had some excitement
  21. bimble

    bimble noisy but small

    ‘With you not to you’ is good.
  22. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Brixton is more overtly emotional than Vauxhall. I was late due to listening to "The Kraken Wakes" on Radio 4 so cannot give a true blow by blow account.
    It is true there was a certain tension between Cllr Brathwaite and some audience and panel members. No doubt this was because the meeting was very focused on housing issues and there was a clear disagreement between Cllr Brathwaite and probably the majority in the room regarding the fairness of consultation and ballots on proposed estate regenerations.

    Not only that the council clearly have a credibility problem when it comes to the number of social homes to be built and the compensation to be paid to displaced leaseholders.

    Hardly an easy meeting for Cllr Brathwaite. The Lib Dem and Green candidates (and not forgetting the Women's Equality Party candidate) were not held back by baggage of these estate regeneration packages which seem to be set in stone for Labour.

    Lib Dem spokesman George Turner emphasised his own involvement in fighting unfair regeneration schemes in north Lambeth and Southwark. He said it would be good to have a proper opposition again and he thought that the chair of Scrutiny Committee should be an opposition councillor.

    The Green party spokeswoman Gerlinde emphasised resident involvement in all stages of planning council estate regeneration - including those who were prrivate tenants, who also had a right to voice their concerns, having sometimes been estate residents for many years.

    Women's Equality feel that many people in the community have expertise in these areas and should not be shut out.

    Ros Griffiths did a turn saying it was necessary for the council to have assistance in consultation. Someone behind me shouted "For you!"

    The meeting went into extra time - the Guardian columnist had to go at 5.00 so Alex Oluwade then chaired, which he did fairly incisively. Probably everyone whom wanted dot have a say has done so by the end of the meeting at 5.30 pm.

    Gramsci was in the row in front of me, so might provide a better account in due course.

  23. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I took notes. Will try to write them up if I have time tomorrow.

    Cllr Braithwaite was doing ok, all things considered, until she decided to tell the audience they weren't diverse enough. It went downhill for her after that point.

    Basic lesson in politics. Disagree with your political opponents on the panel and don't antagonise your audience.

    Prompting near end of meeting one women to tell her that her Council had worked hard to disenfranchise black and ethnic communities.

    She also said that Council ruling Labour group wasn't run top down by a few people like Lib Peck. Labour Cllrs could always "challenge each other". Then asked by member of audience (me) whether in that case she opposed the expulsion of Cllr Rachel from Labour group she said no and that Rachel had broken the "rules". Which also got a hostile audience reception.

    If she hadn't done the two things Ive described above I would have said she put up a good show.
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  24. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    The housing hustings were well organized and run by Lambeth housing activists and Unite Community.

    I do have sympathy for Labour administration up to a point. They aren't the government. They are working in a period of Tory led austerity cuts. Some of the issues they were getting stick for like developers wriggling out of affordable housing is not fault of this Council. Government gave the property developers right to use "feasibility studies" to reduce affordable housing percentage on developments.

    Where I think the Labour administration are making a mistake is not reconsidering some of policy decisions they have taken.

    From what Cllr Braithwaite said if elected again a Labour administration will be pursuing same policies regarding estate regeneration.

    Imo Labour group are making mistake in not giving ballots to estates. This would have diffused a lot of the anger. I don't understand why they won't.

    I noticed that several times Cllr Braithwaite said good things about Corbyn. From being anti Corbyn the Labour group perhaps realize that with ordinary Labour voters Corbyn is popular. Whilst New Labour Lambeth isn't. Blairite politics don't cut it any more. At least this was a sign of hope.

    Or it could be just temporary until after the election is over.
  25. brixtonblade

    brixtonblade Well-Known Member

    I thought that it was up to the council whether to let developers reduce the 40 %target?
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  26. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    No. The planning rules were changed by central government to allow developers to challenge the 40% target. If they produced a financial feasibility statement saying it would reduce the profit on development the Council had to accept that. The Council could argue it was inaccurate or the figures were wrong. But they couldn't just dismiss it.
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  27. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Was out leafleting for Rachel on Sunday. From what I saw in Coldharbour only people leafleting are Greens and Rachel.

    The Labour party regard Coldharbour Ward as safe. You could pin red rosette on a donkey at it would win.

    Name recognition is going to be Rachel problem. I was leafleting and someone asked whst I was doing. Said I was leafleting for Rachel. He didn't realize she was kicked out of Labour group. He knew Rachel. I explained she would be down as independent. He said he would vote for her.

    The Labour party are showing there usual contempt for Coldharbour Ward.

    I've met a lot of ordinary Labour party members who want her to be re elected.

    Also Labour party members who will be splitting vote between Green party and Labour party. Says something about Lambeth Labour party that ordinary members won't vote for it.
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  28. GarveyLives

    GarveyLives Well-Known Member

    He appears above.​
  29. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    So does the old furniture shop burning down on the corner of my street - and opposite editor .
    Can you enlighten me about the "Peace Window" which Michael's brother made for St Matthews church in Brixton.
    I believe it is the artist brother by his mother's bedside at the hospital in your video clip.

    There was a "where are they now?" about Michael Groce in the Observer in 2003: What happened next?

    Have you yourself met him?
  30. GarveyLives

    GarveyLives Well-Known Member

    I'm afraid that I haven't.

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