Who will you be voting for? May 2018 local elections - Brixton and Lambeth chat

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Who will you be voting for?

  1. Blairite Labour

    4 vote(s)
    7.1%
  2. Tory scum

    1 vote(s)
    1.8%
  3. Lib Dems

    3 vote(s)
    5.4%
  4. Green

    22 vote(s)
    39.3%
  5. Independent

    2 vote(s)
    3.6%
  6. Socialist

    1 vote(s)
    1.8%
  7. Rachel Heywood

    12 vote(s)
    21.4%
  8. UKIP or other right wing knuckleheads

    2 vote(s)
    3.6%
  9. Other (please state)

    1 vote(s)
    1.8%
  10. I will be controlling the result via Russian social media interference

    8 vote(s)
    14.3%
  1. brixtonblade

    brixtonblade Well-Known Member

    Look forward to her voting for residents ballots
     
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  2. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    She has come to APG. Greens and LDs been invited as well. Greens were very interested. Haven't heard what Scarlet thought.

    Was at Grove APG yesterday for Loughborough Junction planning forum meeting.. Not one but two Labour Cllrs turned up to show interest. They really are worried about Greens.

    Also learnt Coldharbour ward has now only one functioning Cllr. Donatus. Emma Nye who just got elected to replace Rachel has promptly taken maternity leave. I didn't think being a Cllr was a regular job but there you go.
     
  3. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I've tweeted reply to the video asking her " will you support keeping Grove APG as part of pledge to "back the next generation". I got election leaflet from her saying that we one of her pledges.

    Her recent leaflet follows this film.

    I agree is she standing as Labour candidate? Sounds like Rachel. And we all know what happened to her.

    The film and recent leaflet plus canvassing are unheard of in Coldharbour ward. Where you could stick red rosette on a donkey and it would get elected.
     
  4. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    In her recent leaflet she says:

    Whilst none of Coldharbour ward estates are under threat of redevelopment I still wonder ,like you, if she would support residents ballots in other parts of Lambeth.
     
  5. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    The problem is the whip. She can speak up for constituents but if their wishes conflict with the grand scheme of things Progress-wise she will have to fall in with Lambeth Labour group policy.

    BTW I agree the video is well made - but it's odd they are claiming to support what others already do, ie. job training (Green Man?) @ 58s then mentions programmes such as "Birxton BID". I guess Brixton BID have had a major impact on SIA training (doormen/bouncers)

    1m 10s she moves on to fighting to keep children's centres open (who closed them? and who is running the Grove Adventure Playground now?)

    shortly after it's "genuinely affordable housing" (I take it she's not a fan of MUSE and Your Nu Town Hall? and will fight tooth and nail for social housing in Somerleyton Road?)

    Final point on Scarlett's list of ticks "balancing the needs of businesses and residents so everyone benefits" - opening the loos again? or renewing Brixton BID 5 years?

    I think she is talking the talk but won't be able to walk the walk - after all she can hardly be aspiring to be expelled like Rachel Heywood or Kingsley Abrams - can she?
     
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  6. Tricky Skills

    Tricky Skills I demand tea - NOW!

    Maybe she's just in it for the shit 'n' giggles?

    She'll get plenty of those with the Progress mob.
     
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  7. alcopop

    alcopop Well-Known Member

    I’ll vote for anyone who is anti Corbyn and might win
     
    Last edited: Sep 1, 2018
  8. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Why?

    Labour membership has increased under Corbyn.

    I know people who have rejoined Labour party due to Corbyn.

    What is it about Corbyn you object to?
     
  9. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Good post

    She has made personal pledges in her latest election leaflet. I will be keeping it for future reference.

    If she is cynically making these statement to get elected and renages on them. Im going to get seriously pissed off.
     
  10. BusLanes

    BusLanes Pedestrian

    Definitely starting to heat up - if one went by posters alone it would look like the Greens have it.
     
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  11. happyshopper

    happyshopper Well-Known Member

    I usually agree with your posts but here you are just wrong. If you support maternity/paternity leave then you support it for everyone, whether or not it’s a regular job.
     
  12. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Thinking on it you are right. Fair criticism.

    After my post I bumped into the only active Coldharbour ward Donatus. I asked him if he was getting any more admin support as one Cllr was on maternity leave and one had died. He said no.

    I remember ex Cllr Rachel telling me the case work in Coldharbour ward was more than others. Despite central Brixton making it appear affluent its a poor area.

    Lambeth council is comparable to large business. In large business if someone is on maternity leave they get someone else in temporarily to cover the work.

    We pay for our Cllrs and despite the way New Labour go on they work for us in theory.

    I checked and Cllrs do have right to paternity/ maternity leave. As that is the case Lambeth should find ways to make sure constituents still have access to help when needed.
     
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  13. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    I received this rather novel personally addressed letter from Helen Hayes today (as presumably has every elector in Coldharbour Ward).

    Apparently neither the Greens nor the Lib Dems raised a finger against Brexit in 2016 she says, so please vote for Scarlett as the only candidate capable of sending a strong message to the government in favour of a soft Brexit.

    Excuse me - is this a council election? Are we being asked to vote for the party who are busy ruining local libraries and whose legacy looks like a Nu Town Hall massively overspent and accompanied by loads of unaffordable luxury flats.

    I cannot believe Helen Hayes wrote this letter. And she should be ashamed of allowing it to go out in her name.
    Helen Hayes Scarlett OHara_0001.jpg
     
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  14. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    I agree. What the fuck is the point of this letter. Its annoying to say the least.

    The main opposition are Greens and LibDems. Both of whom are Remain.

    Greens official policy is for another referendum on the deal. So if one wants to use vote to send message on Brexit better to vote Green.

    Greens For Europe - Our Priorities | The Green Party

    Im totally bemused by Helen Hayes letter.

    What it does show is that a minor by election in a borough with rock solid Labour majority is putting the shits up Lambeth Labour.
     
    Last edited: Sep 11, 2018
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  15. BusLanes

    BusLanes Pedestrian

    Oh they did this last time as well in the wards targetted by Libs and Green (not certain about all the Green wards). It's a defensive thing as far as I can tell and probably not a bad one.
     
  16. BusLanes

    BusLanes Pedestrian

    If you subscribe to the theory that sending loads of literature or social media guff then eventually one may get through to a resident. I think now, if I don't live in the place voting, I actually enjoy the literature/videos more than anything else. I just live over the border so don't see most of them but I've liked the Green and Lib Dems quite a lot. The white cover/single line of text Green one was quite powerful as is the orange Demand Better Lib Dem one
     
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  17. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Rather disappointing result
     
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  18. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    It was a pretty good showing by Groce but it's going to be yet more Blairite Labour.

    Oh, and UKIP: LOL.
     
  19. Ms T

    Ms T Honey-coloured ramparts

    Rubbish turnout - looks like barely 2000 people bothered to vote.
     
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  20. Tricky Skills

    Tricky Skills I demand tea - NOW!

    A turnout of 24.87%.

    The Greens took their share of the vote up 12%, with the winning Progress vote up 2% compared to May.
     
  21. Tricky Skills

    Tricky Skills I demand tea - NOW!

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  22. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    24.8% is quite a good turnout for this ward in a by-election.
    What was very surprising was the number of Councillors on the knocker canvassing and on polling day.

    The ruling cabal is very committed to survival - but it was pointed out to me by a Momentum person yesterday that Labour were probably very short of ordinary footsoldiers locally in Coldharbour Ward due to the purging of Cllr Rachel Heywood.
     
  23. CH1

    CH1 "Red Guard"(NLYL)

    Subjectively I would suggest that the area with highest Green support was actually where newly elected Cllr Scarlett and the late Cllr Parr lived (that is the area of residential streets between Railton Road and Effra Road).

    Can't see the Green Party making a lot of headway in areas like the Loughborough Estates unless regeneration issues came on the agenda like Cressingham Gardens or Central Hill.

    Coldharbour (as Angell Ward) has only once had a non-Labour councillor elected since 1945 - indeed it was the only Lambeth Council ward to remain loyal to Labour in the Tory landslide of 1968.
     
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  24. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    I didn't vote for the first time in ages. There really was no one worth voting for.
     
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  25. Southlondon

    Southlondon The river's there for a reason

    There are 3 councillors in each ward so if one is unavailable there are 2 others available. As with what happens in most work places with maternity leave and sickness absence etc, the rest of the team will be expected to cover the absent colleagues work load. Most councillors have full time jobs meaning a lot of case work, council meetings, community group meetings, electioneering and resident surgeries etc are scheduled in the evenings and weekends, which means it’s a hard enough role to balance with parental commitments as it is, so there should be no criticism of a woman exercising her hard fought for right to maternity leave as a councillor, than for workers in any other field.
    As for admin support, apart from a couple of staff in the group office who mainly provide support to the cabinet members, there is no back office set up. The councillors provide their own admin and cover casework themselves. It’s not like MPs who will have a PA and a couple of caseworkers.
     
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  26. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    The Green spin:

     
  27. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member

    Deleted to quote mix up
     
  28. Gramsci

    Gramsci Well-Known Member


    Fair comment.


    Yes MPs have staff. Now this has been discussed here I think Cllrs should have admin staff funded by Council. Especially in ward like Coldharbour. What is overlooked is that Cllrs work for us.


    I do hope the Coldharbour Ward Labour Cllrs ( now Scarlett has been elected) will be supporting keeping services for young people.For examp!e properly funded adventure playgrounds. When they are all back from leave and up to strength for campaigning. Services for poor people with childcare responsibilities. Not just toe the party line that there is no demand for these services. Cllrs who have benefited from hard won rights to maternity/ paternity leave will be doing this I assume.

    Time will tell.
     
    Last edited: Sep 14, 2018 at 11:10 PM
  29. BusLanes

    BusLanes Pedestrian

    Anecdotally the number of Green signs was very high around the above area and not really that evident elsewhere.

    I'd sort of assumed the Greens must have been hitting the estates quite heavily but on the day saw Labour and Libs around them more.
     
  30. Southlondon

    Southlondon The river's there for a reason

    They can spin all they want, but basically they’ve simply replaced the libdems in the Borough. The real battle to move Lambeth towards a more resident responsive position will take place within the Labour Party not from the token grouplet of green councillors. If the left manage to replicate what Is happening within local parties around the country, and overthrow the progress cult that dominates Lambeth Labour, then there’s potential to field a fresh left wing slate of councillors at the next election, bringing with them estate ballots, increased pressure on developers etc. People who see themselves as sympathetic to Corbyn, but refrain from aiding our local battle because of their disappointment with the progress dominance locally, are only serving to prolong the progress dominance of the council.
    if councillors had admin staff it would be a considerable additional cost Gramsci. They do work for us, but on a very part time basis. And the us is everyone in the community not just the vocal minority that shout loudest. She has been elected as a Labour Party Councillor on the Labour manifesto and will be expected to follow the whip as Is every councillor who represents a party. If an elected representative fails to obey the whip on enough occasions they would be liable to be dropped by the party just as rebellious MPs should expect to be deselected if they are out of line with the party. To ensure Lambeth councillors are working to a manifesto and priorities more in line with the national party, requires a strengthening of the left in the local party, so that Lambeth labour selects leftwing candidates. This is why I would argue that the real battle for a leftwing council takes place within the local party, and not by desperately looking for alternative little parties to support in their fruitless efforts to topple labour.
    The councillor allowance is not enough for people to give up work for, and the role is not a full time one. Candidates considering taking the role on are expected to be able to balance the role with their job and home life, and to be honest I’m not sure that any ward would be able to justify the added cost of allocated admin workers to support them.
     
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