Who started punk - the ultimate poll

[Paulie Tandoori]

Link Wray invented punk rock, he just never knew it....sadly he died recently, but his spirit Rumbles on....

 

[editor]

What is this mythicla punk energy your talking about ?

<gives up>

 

[noodles]

White Light/White Heat - Velvet Underground.

Yep, if you had to pinpoint a real genesis of it all I'd say White Light/White Heat and The Modern Lovers

 

[belboid]

Worst.

Poll.

Ever.

 

[belboid]

As far as most people were concerned at the time, punk started with the Pistols.

most people can be wrong tho......and there'll be some daft sod for whom punk 'started' with Green Day....

Shit poll this, btw.

aint gonna disagree with you there tho

 

[editor]

Yep, if you had to pinpoint a real genesis of it

You're right. "Foxtrot" was the start of it all.

 

[belboid]

You're right. "Foxtrot" was the start of it all.

actually Genesis had a distinct influence on the Sex Pistols drum sound.

At least that's what Phil Collins claimed!

 

[Wolfie]

Sonny Rollins

well he had the mohican anyway ...

 

[redsquirrel]

Seeing as it's entirely subjective

But it's not, not unless you subscribe to some sort of postmodern viewpoint where every thing is relative. Of course there's a subjective element but there are also some type of objective elements there (for instance no one has suggested that Mozart started punk).

 

[noodles]

You're right. "Foxtrot" was the start of it all.

Nursery Cryme? With tunes like "The Return Of The Giant Hogweed" and "The Fountain Of Salmacis" how could it be anything other than punk?

 

[Wolfie]

If we're going right back to the seeds, it was The Kinks' 'You Really Got Me' - no doubt about it. Without Ray Davies, many strands in the fabric of modern pop music just wouldn't exist. Fact.

Did You Really Got Me come out before or after the Trogg's Wild Thing?

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Tricky one. I don't like the pistols all that much but like 'edior' what I think of as real punk music started with them.
The Ramones are punk rock or rock and roll which (and I'm not sure why so don't press me on this) I don't think is the same thing.
The best way I can put it is that The Ramones feel like a progression of 60's garage music but the sex pistols sound like something new.

 

[editor]

But it's not, not unless you subscribe to some sort of postmodern viewpoint where every thing is relative.

No? Ok then. Who was the first punk band?

 

[redsquirrel]

No? Ok then. Who was the first punk band?

I'd basically answer as Dub did.

 

[editor]

I'd basically answer as Dub did.

And I'd agree with ATOMIC SUPLEX!
So who's right?

Were you around when punk was happening by the way?

 

[Iam]

So, where are we...

Either Dub or the editor started punk, or am I wrong?

*legs it*

 

[Dubversion]

The best way I can put it is that The Ramones feel like a progression of 60's garage music but the sex pistols sound like something new.

i'm afraid i have to totally disagree with that. MUSICALLY (ie without the attendant image, sensation, scandal etc - all of which was part of their impact) the Pistols were pretty trad - a blend of garage, pub rock, rock n roll etc. look at the songs they covered, look at their influences. they were very much an extension of earlier influences that sounded fresh because they ignored the prevalent horridness of UK music at the time (prog, glam etc).

 

[Dubversion]

Were you around when punk was happening by the way?

i wasn't around during the renaissance but i still know a bit about who started it

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Of course all music is fluid but if we can't say when we think punk started then we can't describe music as drum and bass or disco or whatever.
I'm not sure that the term 'punk' was coined or at least used in the same way until the sex pistols. To me that was the punk movement, the rest I think worked backwards adding the new hip 'punk' rebellion to rock and roll again to make 'punk rock'. I'm sure the NY Dolls, MC5, velvets, stooges etc called themselves new wave rock and roll.

 

[redsquirrel]

Right. So that's your subjective opinion then!

Which is partly based on objective facts. And I never said that the question wasn't partly subjective mearly that your contention that it is entirely subjective was incorrect. Something which can easily be seen by looking back at the suggestion for the bands who started it on this thread. Lots of different bands were suggested but they had plenty in common - from a similar period, consisting of the same basic elements.

Where you around when punk was happening by the way?

I fail to see what difference this makes, but no I wasn't born in the 70's. Personnal experiance can be both a benefit and a hinderance. And certainly isn't necessary for analysis.

 

[butchersapron]

i wasn't around during the renaissance but i still know a bit about who started it

Who started the renaissance then?

 

[Dubversion]

Of course all music is fluid but if we can't say when we think punk started then we can't describe music as drum and bass or disco or whatever.
I'm not sure that the term 'punk' was coined or at least used in the same way until the sex pistols. To me that was the punk movement, the rest I think worked backwards adding the new hip 'punk' rebellion to rock and roll again to make 'punk rock'. I'm sure the NY Dolls, MC5, velvets, stooges etc called themselves new wave rock and roll.

AFAIK the first bands described as punk were 60s garage punk bands. which fits.

 

[Dubversion]

Who startd the renaissance then?

Rorymac

 

[Hanfstaengl]

Piss Factory

Sixteen and time to pay off
I got this job in a piss factory inspecting pipe
Forty hours thirty-six dollars a week
But it's a paycheck, Jack.
It's so hot in here, hot like Sahara
You could faint in the heat
But these bitches are just too lame to understand
Too goddamned grateful to get this job
To know they're getting screwed up the ass
All these women they got no teeth or gum or cranium
And the way they suck hot sausage
But me well I wasn't sayin' too much neither
I was moral school girl hard-working asshole
I figured I was speedo motorcycle
I had to earn my dough, had to earn my dough

 

[Termite Man]

i'm afraid i have to totally disagree with that. MUSICALLY (ie without the attendant image, sensation, scandal etc - all of which was part of their impact) the Pistols were pretty trad - a blend of garage, pub rock, rock n roll etc. look at the songs they covered, look at their influences. they were very much an extension of earlier influences that sounded fresh because they ignored the prevalent horridness of UK music at the time (prog, glam etc).

I'd second that and add that the Ramones had that buzz saw style guitar and simple rhythm played fast and loud that says punk to me , I won't disagree with the fact they were influenced by other bands because they only knew each other because of their love for the Stooges so it would be stupid to claim they came up with a whole new musical style , but IMO they were closer sounding to the Pistols than any of the bands that influenced them and they started before the Pistols as well .

And editor if your seriously going to go down the "were you around when punk started road" you really should give up like you said you were doing earlier

 

[milesy]

Rorymac

nah, it was lindsay lohan.

 

[Termite Man]

Rorymac

and that is a fact

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

AFAIK the first bands described as punk were 60s garage punk bands. which fits.

They were punks playing 'garage music', I think there were only called garage 'punk' after the 70s.

 

[Termite Man]

Of course all music is fluid but if we can't say when we think punk started then we can't describe music as drum and bass or disco or whatever.
I'm not sure that the term 'punk' was coined or at least used in the same way until the sex pistols. To me that was the punk movement, the rest I think worked backwards adding the new hip 'punk' rebellion to rock and roll again to make 'punk rock'. I'm sure the NY Dolls, MC5, velvets, stooges etc called themselves new wave rock and roll.

Punk was first used by the "punk" fanzine* AFAIK which incidently featured The Ramones in it's first issue


*there is a refence to music being "punk" before this but I can't remember what context it was in !

 

[editor]

I fail to see what difference this makes, but no I wasn't born in the 70's. Personnal experiance can be both a benefit and a hinderance. And certainly isn't necessary for analysis.

The point being when punk happened in the UK, the Pistols were absolutely seen as the first punk band.