Kid_Eternity
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Ledger, all the others aren't even worth considering...
Who played the best live action Joker?
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internetstalker
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All 3 were great in very different ways
Ledger FTW tho
Ledger FTW tho
internetstalker
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Ledgers laugh was crap tho
i don't agree with that at all
indeed
he had NO joker laugh and he wasn't funny at all. nicholson had all that shit AND he came off as an asshole too...
bluestreak
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Good grief.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I hate to run with the herd on this one, but Ledger made his own Joker. Definetly exemplified the darker edge of hilarity and madness for me. I think he was very influenced by the Joker from the graphic novel The Killing Joke. Which, being Moore, was fucking ace
personally i thought his rendition was uninspired and flat...teh joker is supposed to joke around and shit...i didn't see Ledger joke around too much, all he did was kill people. he went way too much to the dark side with his "portrayal"
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
He was clowning around all the time, an air of unpredictability and that irreverence and jokery. OK he wasn't greeting-card obvious with squirting flowers and concealed buzzers, but subtlety pays off in Ledgers role.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
How much of any of this is down to Ledger, though (or Nicholson, for that matter) and how much is down to the director?
24%.
well the screenplay is written then the director films it the way he interprets it and then tells the actors what to do and then within those guidelines the actor/actress plays the role how they see it...
its all very nebulous
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
I wasn't asking what the process was. I know that is how a film is made. I was pointing out that within those parameters, it may be that the whole "dark joker" thing is *entirely* the decision of the director, with Ledger only operating within very narrow boundaries. Or it might be that the director gave Ledger free rein. You can't really praise or blame the actor without knowing how much of it was up to him in the first place.
ruffneck23
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either way i don't think it was a best actor performance...
Nanker Phelge
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
I bet Cesar Romero seemed great in the 60s - he must have really freaked the kids out.
Nicholson played to type, but what a type to play to - he was great.
Ledger did something new and 'edgy' - he did a very good job - that nurses outfit will go down in history.
They are all Jokers of their time, I've enjoyed them all
Nicholson played to type, but what a type to play to - he was great.
Ledger did something new and 'edgy' - he did a very good job - that nurses outfit will go down in history.
They are all Jokers of their time, I've enjoyed them all
he looked totally idiotic in that whole scene
Yuwipi Woman
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The original Joker from the comic books was much darker than the Batman tv series. While I enjoy all three performances in their own way, Ledgers Joker was truer to the original intent of the character's creators.
i don't thing the joker was meant to be that mean and scary and ruthless. he was supposed to be bad and a criminal but in a funny sort of way which was exactly what nicholson captured on screen...
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
There's no "meant" involved. Different writers write the character differently depending on their own ideas of what entertaining is. I like Moore's version best, which is why I like Ledger's joker best. Interpretations vary. Opinion and fact are different things.
ruffneck23
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have you read the killing joke ? going sane ? the jokers last laugh?
love and madness? or any of the more recent adaptations of the joker ?
if not please do so
and your gonna hate the arkham asylum game just around the corner
The only gripe I have with Ledger's joker is the fact that he used makeup. The Joker in the comics was permanently white. This was much-debated on the superherohype forum before the film came out, and while I loved the film, I still think that as great as the character was (best so far) it's a shame it deviated from the comic in that one detail.
Truth be told, if you combined ledger's and nicholson's you'd have something close to the comic one.
Truth be told, if you combined ledger's and nicholson's you'd have something close to the comic one.
The notion that people only rated Ledger because he died is a fucking lame copout btw.
I remember seeing the trailer, pics, etc, for this film ages before that happened, and just being totally
about it all.
I remember seeing the trailer, pics, etc, for this film ages before that happened, and just being totally
about it all.
ruffneck23
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^^^ this and michael cain was quoted as saying after seeing the first rush of ledgers joker , that it was one of the most powerful and terrifying things he had ever seen, that he was going to vote for him at the oscars (and he hadnt even met ledger at that point!!)
liampreston
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Heath Ledger. Than a country mile. Then a waterfall. Then the distance between the centre of the Earth and, say, oooh, Jupiter. And THEN the other two.
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