who is going to win the tory leadership election?
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pilchardman
Dances With Penguins
Davies. But fuck knows why; he has no charisma, and there is absolutely nothing memorable about him. If they had any sense (which ... etc), it'd be Clarke or Rifkind.
As for the other tories, I think there's a good chance Brown will be by-passed. I think Reid is a possibility.
As for the other tories, I think there's a good chance Brown will be by-passed. I think Reid is a possibility.
Maidmarian
Stubborn Socialist
rednblack said:i know, i was answering really old hippy's claims that there arent any
Erm, I THINK he was being sarcastic (hence the wink)
Blair ...
davis i reckon.
my mate will be at the conference next week.. his firm (PR) are sending him
my mate will be at the conference next week.. his firm (PR) are sending him
A lot will depend on who the 'final two' are. I don't think Cameron will go down well with the rank and file of the party (too liberal on things like drugs). Davis or Clarke would win against Cameron IMHO
If the final two are Davis vs Clarke I've a funny feeling Clarke will shave it this time around. Could be very close .... and the subsquent general election could be too.
If the final two are Davis vs Clarke I've a funny feeling Clarke will shave it this time around. Could be very close .... and the subsquent general election could be too.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I have a theory.
The last three tory PMs have had surnames that denoted objects (Heath) or job titles (Thatcher and Major), therefore I believe the next tory leader will be Ken Clarke (meaning "scholar"), and that he'll be PM (for about 3 days before he has a stroke).
I reckon my theory is at least as likely to show who's next in line for the "trail of tears" as anything else.
The last three tory PMs have had surnames that denoted objects (Heath) or job titles (Thatcher and Major), therefore I believe the next tory leader will be Ken Clarke (meaning "scholar"), and that he'll be PM (for about 3 days before he has a stroke).
I reckon my theory is at least as likely to show who's next in line for the "trail of tears" as anything else.
pilchardman
Dances With Penguins
He comes across as a smug, arrogant, insincere, prick. But then so do all the others in the frame. I can't really tell which the Labour members will like and which they won't.rednblack said:
What concerns me is that Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and Kenneth Clarke are all members of the Bilgerberg Group. Unsuprisingly Kenneth Clarke is in favour of ID cards and of course Europe. If we have a Tory leader who like this, is the any point of having an opposition at all? I can only hope he does not win. It shows what a mirage our so-called democracy has become.
Kenny Vermouth
Wankers
I would like Davis to win. Being a Conservative voter, I think the party could do with a lurch to the right and stop trying to ape Blair's odious party.
silentNate
1.618 xakep
I'm a member of the Bilgerberg Group and I resent that commentlastmanineurope said:
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
Kenny Vermouth said:
lurching to right would lose them the precious central ground that blair did so much to win from them, if davis wins and they lurch more to the right, they have no chance of winning, they'll lose more votes to labour and the lib dems, if they want to win, their best hope would be clarke, followed by cameron, if they don't want to win that davis is the best choice
I think David Davis will win. Can't see that as a particularly bad thing, since the Tories will then take a lurch to the right and become even less electable than they are now.
I think Ken Clarke is in some ways a distraction from the real question the Tories are struggling to answer, which is, should they move towards the centre ground or should they swing rightwards? Davis is the right-wing candidate, Cameron the moderniser. Clarke's trading on personal charisma and trying to please both wings of the party - papering over the cracks, basically. Electing Clarke as leader will IMO simply defer the question for another few years, until they lose another election and the infighting begins all over again.
Me, I love watching the Tories tear themselves to pieces.
I think Ken Clarke is in some ways a distraction from the real question the Tories are struggling to answer, which is, should they move towards the centre ground or should they swing rightwards? Davis is the right-wing candidate, Cameron the moderniser. Clarke's trading on personal charisma and trying to please both wings of the party - papering over the cracks, basically. Electing Clarke as leader will IMO simply defer the question for another few years, until they lose another election and the infighting begins all over again.
Me, I love watching the Tories tear themselves to pieces.
Orangesanlemons
Inamorati Anonymous
*oddsflash* (well, let's try to make this slightly more interesting)
DD still the huge fave, but Clarke & Cameron now neck-and-neck on 5.4 apiece. Cameron's got a fair bit of cash on him now...
I've stuck a few quid on Cameron - in the belief he'll shade it over Clarke - and i'll lay off on Davis at some time before Xmas. There's a long way to go and strange things can happen...
DD still the huge fave, but Clarke & Cameron now neck-and-neck on 5.4 apiece. Cameron's got a fair bit of cash on him now...
I've stuck a few quid on Cameron - in the belief he'll shade it over Clarke - and i'll lay off on Davis at some time before Xmas. There's a long way to go and strange things can happen...
Gone for Cameron. I think Clarke will not be in the top 2 of mps (because of the recent opinion polls saying Cameron is the person most voters will trust to lead the country) but the Tories I am aware of in my life know they lose with anyone on the 'right' of the party.
It's a very good price as well.
It's a very good price as well.
Camerons policies of raising income tax to expand public services, abolishing the internal market mechanism in the NHS and making it free at the point of delivery, increasing the minimum wage, renationalising all public transport and abolishing tuition fees are quite controversial but might be a vote winner.
Orangesanlemons
Inamorati Anonymous
flimsier said:
4.5 now and dropping fast. Hmmm. I'm hoping there's an actual reason for that.
The interesting thing about this contest seems to be that DD has enough votes for him that he could almost choose who he will fight with the members.
It will be interesting to see how his supporters vote; with other leadership contests in seems that people have had their supporters vote for someone else to keep a 3rd candidate out.
It will be interesting to see how his supporters vote; with other leadership contests in seems that people have had their supporters vote for someone else to keep a 3rd candidate out.
Orangesanlemons
Inamorati Anonymous
Okey-dokey. I now have money on both Cameron and Davis.
Anyone know when the first round of voting's announced?
Anyone know when the first round of voting's announced?
I did see on the news yesterday that a lot Tory MPs are worried that the party membership has fallen in love with Ken Clarke all over again and might well vote him in if he makes the final two. The implication was that a fair proportion of MPs are going to do everything they can to make the final two a run-off between Cameron and Davis.
<ponders trip to the bookies>
<ponders trip to the bookies>
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