Who here studies or has studied philosophy?

[fela fan]

where did i say that wasn't the case?

i'd forgotten how pointless arguing with you was, perhaps you should study a little philosophy - might learn how to construct a coherent argument.

It's always interesting to see who resorts to describing their own interpretations of people, rather than sticking to what it is people are actually saying.

Usually it means they have a deficit in listening ability. And/or the need to rubbish other people for not saying things they hold to be true.

And it's particularly ironic in a discussion such as this. Oh well.

 

[nino_savatte]

Any comment from me about philosophy and which books I have read will only result in the usual abuse from that pillock dwyer, but here goes: I see philosophy as a tool, or a set of tools that can be synthesised by the individual and appleid to a range of issues and problems. To follow any philosophy, to the rigid dogmatic exclusion of others is as bad as embracing fundamentalist forms of religion imv.

 

[northernhord]

I chose to study it as part of a joint honours degree but never really got into it properly, but I did like Gramski whom I discovered outside of academic philosophy which lead me onto Paulo Friere.

 

[phildwyer]

Any comment from me about philosophy and which books I have read will only result in the usual abuse from that pillock dwyer, but here goes: I see philosophy as a tool, or a set of tools that can be synthesised by the individual and appleid to a range of issues and problems. To follow any philosophy, to the rigid dogmatic exclusion of others is as bad as embracing fundamentalist forms of religion imv.

Pısh Nıno, why would I abuse you for thıs? I completely agree wıth you. You are however utterly *wrong* about the quote from Gramscı, as I have proved above.

 

[nino_savatte]

Pısh Nıno, why would I abuse you for thıs? I completely agree wıth you. You are however utterly *wrong* about the quote from Gramscı, as I have proved above.

Don't patronise me, you bullying prick. I am correct and you are quite clearly wrong. Now, shall I quote the passage for you or will you shut the fuck up?

 

[phildwyer]

Now, shall I quote the passage for you

Yes.

 

[nino_savatte]

Well, phil? I'm waiting.

 

[fractionMan]

'everyone's an intellectual' - Gramsci obviously has never been down my local pub then.

Oi!

I've got a PhD in 'wot that bloke told me down the pub'. It's hanging on the wall next to my 'university of life' degree.

 

[nino_savatte]

I presume you have read The Prison Notebooks - being the philosophical genius you quite clearly are.

It's all contained in the chapter "Intellectuals". I'm far too busy to quote it all at length but suffice to say, it rather scuppers your argument, phil.

 

[fractionMan]

I'm assuming that wasn't directed at me.

 

[miss direct]

I did two semesters of a joint degree in English and Philosophy. I couldn't stand it. It seemed like such a good idea but I hated the rambling, pointless crap, mostly written by wealthy upper class white men 1000 years ago who had nothing else to do than ponder whether a table really exists or not.

If you're not 100% mentally stable it can mess your head up a bit too. Too much thinking.

That's just my opinion.

 

[nino_savatte]

I'm assuming that wasn't directed at me.

No, it was directed at phil.

 

[phildwyer]

I presume you have read The Prison Notebooks - being the philosophical genius you quite clearly are.

It's all contained in the chapter "Intellectuals". I'm far too busy to quote it all at length but suffice to say, it rather scuppers your argument, phil.

Bullshıt. Utter, transparent bullshıt. Can't you sımply admıt that you got ıt *wrong?* Here once agaın ıs the passage that proves Nıno *wrong:*

'Having first shown that everyone is a philosopher, though in his own way and unconsciously, since even in the slightest manifestation of any intellectual activity whatever, in “language,” there is contained a specific conception of the world, one then moves on to the second level, which is that of awareness and criticism.'

-- Antonıo Gramscı, 'The Study of Phılosophy'

http://www.marxists.org/archive/gram...sophy/ch01.htm

Have some deceny Nıno: admıt that you are *wrong.*

 

[northernhord]

organic intellectuals

 

[phildwyer]

No, phil you are wrong...must I quote the passage in full from my copy of The Prison Notebooks?

Don't patronise me, you bullying prick. I am correct and you are quite clearly wrong. Now, shall I quote the passage for you or will you shut the fuck up?

I'm far too busy to quote it all at length but suffice to say, it rather scuppers your argument, phil.

I thınk thıs ıs Nıno's best ever. And that's really sayıng somethıng.

 

[Dubversion]

fuck off, dwyer.

 

[Dubversion]

Yeah, that's all very well, but without living life where are you going to get your own beliefs from, so that you can subject them to possible flaws?

where did i say that? YOU are the one who initially nixed the study of philosophy in favour of life experience, i believe one complements the other. So don't put words in my mouth.

 

[Crispy]

What's the tally, dub?

 

[phildwyer]

fuck off, dwyer.

The porkman returns. Yo swıneboy, what's up? Its not often you stıck your snout ınto a serıous thread, what have we done to deserve the honor of your porcıne presence?

 

[Dubversion]

What's the tally, dub?

ah, i stopped counting. You can't quantify something as fundamental as this

 

[Santino]

The porkman returns. Yo swıneboy, what's up? Its not often you stıck your snout ınto a serıous thread, what have we done to deserve the honor of your porcıne presence?

Christ, you're a tedious old scrote. If he pisses you off so much put him on Ignore. Jesus.

 

[Dr. Furface]

I don't think studying philosophy is about nicking other people's ideas, I think it's studying what, how and why yours and other people's minds think. I agree that living life by going out making mistakes, meeting people etc is the best way you're going to form opinions but I don't feel for me personally it's going to make me question those opinions enough and explore them more thoroughly.

I want to get right to the bottom of it as much as I can, i'm not gonna get the one big answer to everything, none of us will, I don't think we're meant to but I do think we can gain a more solid understanding. I've thought this way for years and kept it, for the most part, silent but now I feel it really wants to come out and I want to let it, it's almost like an obsession and if it isn't already it's quite possible it will go that way.

Philosophy is about questions - don't go into it expecting to find answers because you're going to be very disappointed if you do. Philosophy is essentially the search for meaning and truth, but philosophers - being human - all too often let their egos get in the way. Philosophers are generally at their most interesting when they interpret the world and question the assumptions and beliefs of others. It's when they start theorising about how things should be that is all goes tits up.

 

[nino_savatte]

I thınk thıs ıs Nıno's best ever. And that's really sayıng somethıng.

To quote Dubversion: fuck off dwyer.

 

[phildwyer]

don't put words in my mouth.

No don't: Dub would vastly prefer a sack of rancıd potato peelıngs and apple cores...

 

[Dubversion]

Philosophy is about questions - don't go into it expecting to find answers because you're going to be very disappointed if you do. Philosophy is essentially the search for meaning and truth, but philosophers - being human - all too often let their egos get in the way. Philosophers are generally at their most interesting when they interpret the world and question the assumptions and beliefs of others. It's when they start theorising about how things should be that is all goes tits up.

good post. I think when i started my course i was looking for answers, like smoky, but quickly realised the reverse is much much more likely. You become aware of how little you can reliably count on.

 

[nino_savatte]

Bullshıt. Utter, transparent bullshıt. Can't you sımply admıt that you got ıt *wrong?* Here once agaın ıs the passage that proves Nıno *wrong:*

'Having first shown that everyone is a philosopher, though in his own way and unconsciously, since even in the slightest manifestation of any intellectual activity whatever, in “language,” there is contained a specific conception of the world, one then moves on to the second level, which is that of awareness and criticism.'

-- Antonıo Gramscı, 'The Study of Phılosophy'

http://www.marxists.org/archive/gram...sophy/ch01.htm

Have some deceny Nıno: admıt that you are *wrong.*

No, you've got it wrong and I get the feeling that you are content to let this continue ad infinitum/ad nauseum because you get a massive ego boost from this sort of thing.

You're wrong phil, it's time to be a grown up and admit that you aren't always right...but then you neither have the maturity nor the wisdom to to do so.

 

[fela fan]

where did i say that? YOU are the one who initially nixed the study of philosophy in favour of life experience, i believe one complements the other. So don't put words in my mouth.

I never said you said that. So the words in your mouth did not come from me.

And kindly take the words you've put in my mouth out of it. You do the very thing you say i do. I preferred the life experience path, but not at the expense of any studying.

Amazing. You're some philosopher, how do you do it with such interpretative problems?

 

[phildwyer]

If he pisses you off so much put him on Ignore. Jesus.

You mısunderstand. Tormentıng Dubversıon wıth pıg ımagery *ıs* my phılosophy.

 

[Dubversion]

This message is hidden because phildwyer is on your ignore list.

fuck off, dwyer

 

[Santino]

You mısunderstand. Tormentıng Dubversıon wıth pıg ımagery *ıs* my phılosophy.

Get some fucking dots over your 'i's.