Who enjoys films like hostel / paradise lost etc

[gabi]

Watched hostel II last night - fucking awful. Havent seen a more misogynistic piece of shit than that.

Tarantino really hates women dont he?

 

[Orang Utan]

Watched hostel II last night - fucking awful. Havent seen a more misogynistic piece of shit than that.

Tarantino really hates women dont he?

What's Tarantino got to do with Hostel? Eli Roth directed it

 

[gabi]

Hostel II had his name all over the credits? perhaps he wrote it.. it said 'a quentin tarantino film' at beginning and end..

 

[futha]

What's Tarantino got to do with Hostel? Eli Roth directed it

he produced it i think.

 

[Reno]

Watched hostel II last night - fucking awful. Havent seen a more misogynistic piece of shit than that.

Tarantino really hates women dont he?

Tarantino was only an executive producer and didn't have any creative input in Hostel 2 which was written and directed by Eli Roth.

I think Jackie Brown alone is proof enough that Tarantino doesn't hate women. Its heroine is one of the best female characters in modern cinema. How many thrillers have black, middle aged women at their centre and treat them with such generosity and tenderness ?

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

What's Tarantino got to do with Hostel? Eli Roth directed it

I met Eli Roth back when he had just done Cabin Feaver. He was a really nice chap and the first person I had ever met that shared my love of Ichi the Killer.

I can't help but rate his films higher than they deserve because of this.

Cabin Feaver does have the best end ever though 'that gun is for the n***ers'.
Plus when Eli turns up with Dr Mambo I aways jump despite knowing it's coming.

 

[Orang Utan]

he produced it i think.

No he didn't.
He was executive producer of the first one - all that usually means is that he helped finance it or just put his name to it so it would get made or distributed - it rarely indicates creative input
ETA - it seems he EPd the second one too

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

he produced it i think.

He pretty much just put his name on the box to help it get a green light for his chum.

 

[Reno]

I was dissappointed by Cabin Fever but I didn't mind Hostel. Many saw it as xenophobic, but I thought it was a satire about shallow American's "doing Europe". Initially I thought the jocks had it coming and then what happens to them is so horrific that I thought, ok, they didn't quite deserve that. No masterpiece, but I don't know why people are quite so down on it. It does what it says on the tin.

 

[gabi]

I suggest u watch the sequel - its a lot worse than the first.. kinda misses the 'humour' of the first. Its all about the violence.

 

[futha]

No he didn't.
He was executive producer of the first one - all that usually means is that he helped finance it or just put his name to it so it would get made or distributed - it rarely indicates creative input
ETA - it seems he EPd the second one too

ah fair enough i wasnt 100% sure. knew he was something to do with the first one.

 

[Orang Utan]

I was dissappointed by Cabin Fever but I didn't mind Hostel. Many saw it as xenophobic, but I thought it was a satire about shallow American's "doing Europe". Initially I thought the jocks had it coming and then what happens to them is so horrific that I thought, ok, they didn't quite deserve that. No masterpiece, but I don't know why people are quite so down on it. It does what it says on the tin.

I agree with that analysis - the Americans come off a lot worse, but then you have no sympathy for them when they get chopped up, which makes it less of a horror film to me.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

I was dissappointed by Cabin Fever but I didn't mind Hostel. Many saw it as xenophobic, but I thought it was a satire about shallow American's "doing Europe". Initially I thought the jocks had it coming and then what happens to them is so horrific that I thought, ok, they didn't quite deserve that. No masterpiece, but I don't know why people are quite so down on it. It does what it says on the tin.

I don't think it does quite enough of what it said on the tin and the Japanese lady chucking herself away was just stupid. How did that chap know to kill the bad guy at the end? he didn't see him did he?

It was ok though. No masterpiece as you say.

 

[Orang Utan]

Yeah a lot of it didn't make any sense whatsoever!

 

[Pieface]

Now I want to watch Hostel

 

[oddworld]

Now I want to watch Hostel

Its silly horror, I always end up laughing at films like that.

A few times I turned away and thought thats gross.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

well on the bright side this means fewer people will complain when i watch urotsukidoji...

 

[Lahnee Fox]

I tried to watch Wolf Creek before xmas and turned it off - it was fucking horrible with no apparent redeeming features. I cannot for the life of me explain why it bothered me when I'm fine with the Texas Chainsaw Massacre but it was too much for some reason.

I watched wolf creek last night and tbh it was a bit lame, not enough gore/violence for me I'm afraid!

 

[Brainaddict]

I don't watch horror much but unfortunately ended up watching hostel. I found it truly disturbing that people want to watch stuff like that. It's not much better than Roman circuses - and okay I know it's not real, but in terms of why people get a kick from it I can't see it as being much different.

Aside from the gore I also found Hostel really depressing just because of its view of humanity. I *know* you're not meant to take it seriously, but the fact that it asks you to root for the protaganists as they mow down a bunch of kids or whatever is pretty sick.
I dunno, I guess I just have an emotional reaction to stuff like this and it bothers me that some people don't. I find it wrong tbh, though it grates on my liberal instincts to say it.

 

[ruffneck23]

anyone seen the remake of the hitcher yet ?
I loved the first film with Rutger Hauer , was genuinely disturbed by it , but then again i was much younger.
I have seen a couple of ok reviews but am dreading watching the remake ( but im currently getting a copy as we speak )

 

[Reno]

I don't watch horror much but unfortunately ended up watching hostel. I found it truly disturbing that people want to watch stuff like that. It's not much better than Roman circuses - and okay I know it's not real, but in terms of why people get a kick from it I can't see it as being much different.

Aside from the gore I also found Hostel really depressing just because of its view of humanity. I *know* you're not meant to take it seriously, but the fact that it asks you to root for the protaganists as they mow down a bunch of kids or whatever is pretty sick.
I dunno, I guess I just have an emotional reaction to stuff like this and it bothers me that some people don't. I find it wrong tbh, though it grates on my liberal instincts to say it.

It all depends on your sensibilites. Personally I find things like Big Brother much more disturbing because they fuck around with real life and unlike Hostel have a major effect on modern culture and society. To me they are the the real modern equivalent of Roman Circuses.

Also there are plenty of art house films like Gummo (about which I had a rant yesterday), Dancer in the Dark or Irreversible which I find ideologically a lot more dodgy and offensive than Hostel, but people don't seem to look through their adolescent pretentions because they are marketed as art house films.

 

[andy2002]

I met Eli Roth back when he had just done Cabin Feaver. He was a really nice chap and the first person I had ever met that shared my love of Ichi the Killer.

I can't help but rate his films higher than they deserve because of this.

I'm exactly the same. I interviewed him for the shitty men's mag I used to work for and just thought he was one of the most entertaining, funny and enthusiastic people I'd ever met (he has some great stories). I quite enjoyed Cabin Fever but even I find it hard to say anything at all positive about Hostel.

 

[Brainaddict]

It all depends on your sensibilites. Personally I find things like Big Brother much more disturbing because they fuck around with real life. To me they are the the real modern equivalent of Roman Circuses. There are plenty of art house films like Gummo (about which I had a rant yesterday), Dancer in the Dark or Irreversible which I find ideologically a lot more dodgy and offensive than Hostel.

Yeah but I don't think anyone would argue that Irreversible was meant to be entertainment in the same sense - certainly you wouldn't cheer as you watched the rape scene as I saw people doing as someone's eye was blowtorched out in Hostel.

 

[andy2002]

Saw II was the last horror film that I really enjoyed – tightly-plotted, nice twist ending and a couple of good ol' fashioned "video nasty" moments.

 

[gabi]

anyone seen the remake of the hitcher yet ?
I loved the first film with Rutger Hauer , was genuinely disturbed by it , but then again i was much younger.
I have seen a couple of ok reviews but am dreading watching the remake ( but im currently getting a copy as we speak )

Yeh its on stage6 - i saw it a coupla weeks ago, its utter shite i can assure u, i wouldnt bother! still, ones mans trash etc etc..

 

[Reno]

Yeah but I don't think anyone would argue that Irreversible was meant to be entertainment in the same sense - certainly you wouldn't cheer as you watched the rape scene as I saw people doing as someone's eye was blowtorched out in Hostel.

The same people who cheered at Hostel might have cheered in Irreversible. I never cheer violence and people respond in different ways for different reasons. BTW there was no cheering in the cinema when I went to see Hostel and that was to a full house of horror fans at Frightfest.

I found the persistent homophobia in Irreversible much more disturbing than anything I saw in Hostel and in the end how was the message so different from Hostel apart from that Irreversible laid on existential pretentions with a throwel ? What was I supposed to learn from that drawn out rape scene apart from that rape is bad ? Doesn't strike me as news or terrible profound. Irreversible is just another kind of exploitation, but the kind where audiences are suckered into thinking that what they have been put through was in some way good for them because it had wobbly cinematography and a reverse structure.

 

[Brainaddict]

I think the whole Irreversible line is irrelevant really. Whatever your problems with it might be (and I agree it had some) it's a completely different kind of film from Hostel and isn't particularly relevant to the discussion. It's quite possible to say that they're both bad but for different reasons.

 

[asbestos]

hostel is one of the worst films i have ever sat through, utter tripe.

something like Jorg Buttergeit's Schramm deals with the subject far better, imho.

 

[Reno]

I think the whole Irreversible line is irrelevant really. Whatever your problems with it might be (and I agree it had some) it's a completely different kind of film from Hostel and isn't particularly relevant to the discussion. It's quite possible to say that they're both bad but for different reasons.

You could say that, but I don't see why it's irrelevant to this discussion. To me the films aren't that different, but Hostel at least strikes me as a more honest film.

 

[Brainaddict]

You could say that, but I don't see why it's irrelevant to this discussion. To me the films aren't that different, but Hostel at least strikes me as a more honest film.

Well Irreversible is meant to appeal on the intellectual level. Whether or how it does that and whether what it says is right is another matter. Hostel on the other hand is meant to appeal simply because of the gore and nastiness. So they're fundamentally very different in nature I would say. But I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.