who are the real scabs against the working class?
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Pete the Greek said:
Oh rilly? Very well, you`re not thick. You`re a moron. You`re a cretin. You`re barely worthy to be called subnormal. Your shirt size is twice your IQ. You make David Beckham look like Albert Einstein. You`re as clever as two short planks. You make Mike in Worthing look like Donna Ferentes. Rydychìn twp. Tu es un espece d`ìdiot. I can honestly say that I have never encountered such a dullard as yourself. You are a fool, a dummy and a dimwit. You give new meaning to the term `stupid.` If you were a Mexican wrestler you would be called El Stupido. Twpsin bach.
That good enough for you? Seek away. Oh yes, I lied. You *are* thick.
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Planeteer
Hah... Said it all along... And I'll be honest, where I grew up people employ Poles because they will work hard for low wages doing monotonous jobs that a lot of Brits wouldn't. I don't know if it is like that anywhere else.Brainaddict said:I haven't joined any of these bloody immigration debates yet, so thought I'd give my tuppenceworth. Working class politics has usually aspired to be international in its vision, and I find it very, very odd that in an age of increasing corporate globalisation anyone who had the interests of the working class at heart could possibly encourage parochial politics.
For instance I would guess that most unemployment in this country in recent years has been created not by workers coming here, but by corporations moving jobs overseas. The very reason that corporations are so strong at the moment is that they have a global reach, while the systems designed to constrain them (ranging from govt regulation through trade unions) are *not* global.
I mean, if you kept the Poles in Poland, and the unemployment there kept labour costs low, companies would just start leaving Britain for Poland. Which would leave the parochialists here looking pretty damn stupid. And unemployed, with any luck
It seems to me the key to fighting corporate power lies in creating ever larger global movements and organisations. So this 'me and mine' politics of durutti and the like is so backward-looking and stuck in the past that I keep looking for the bloody time machine they stepped out of. They seem to have no awareness of what is actually happening in the world. If such a thing as 'the working class' exists, it can only be a global working class, and their interests must in the long run - even if not in the short term - be aligned.
That's not to say that I think society is fair, there will always be people shat upon by the system, but it irritates me when people blame economic immigrants. If I were growing up in a poorer part of the world and I could go abroad to work (long hard hours) and send the money home so my family could live more comfortably and my kids could get a good education and a good start in life.
Paris Garters
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Erm...the scabs are the people who employ immigrant workers because they know that due to the relative poverty of their country of origin, they will accept shit conditions and low wages, thereby enabling the increase of the bosses' profit margins?
The employment of immigrant workers is driving down wages in some areas, and it's not always the case of 'shit jobs that no british people will do'. But it isn't immigrants themselves that are the problem, It's those who exploit them.
The only way to resolve it that i can see is greater solidarity between british and immigrant workers to ensure that everyone gets a decent wage for doing the same job.
The employment of immigrant workers is driving down wages in some areas, and it's not always the case of 'shit jobs that no british people will do'. But it isn't immigrants themselves that are the problem, It's those who exploit them.
The only way to resolve it that i can see is greater solidarity between british and immigrant workers to ensure that everyone gets a decent wage for doing the same job.
dennisr
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Paris Garters said:
spot on, its a simple point but seems to be lostr on a lot of people. For more detail see here: http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=191922
fractionMan
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Brainaddict said:I haven't joined any of these bloody immigration debates yet, so thought I'd give my tuppenceworth. Working class politics has usually aspired to be international in its vision, and I find it very, very odd that in an age of increasing corporate globalisation anyone who had the interests of the working class at heart could possibly encourage parochial politics.
For instance I would guess that most unemployment in this country in recent years has been created not by workers coming here, but by corporations moving jobs overseas. The very reason that corporations are so strong at the moment is that they have a global reach, while the systems designed to constrain them (ranging from govt regulation through trade unions) are *not* global.
I mean, if you kept the Poles in Poland, and the unemployment there kept labour costs low, companies would just start leaving Britain for Poland. Which would leave the parochialists here looking pretty damn stupid. And unemployed, with any luck
It seems to me the key to fighting corporate power lies in creating ever larger global movements and organisations. So this 'me and mine' politics of durutti and the like is so backward-looking and stuck in the past that I keep looking for the bloody time machine they stepped out of. They seem to have no awareness of what is actually happening in the world. If such a thing as 'the working class' exists, it can only be a global working class, and their interests must in the long run - even if not in the short term - be aligned.
Brainaddict wins the thread.
because it stops the 'race to the bottom' in wages and starts to ratchet pay and conditions upwards. Its also why you see the growth of militant trade unionism in (formerly downtrodden) sections of the working class, in what used to be called the southeast asian tiger economies. Now thats what I call internationalism.
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Planeteer
Maybe you shouldn't misquote me. I know a lot of Brits who will not clean toilets, work on factory lines ect. I'm sure you do too... Then they complain about immigrants taking their jobs whereas they're the ones being fussy (and for the record, I've cleaned toilets and worked in fast food restaurants before somebody pulls the social class card).Paris Garters said:
I agree we need a solidarity however.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
I dunno why you're angry with that troll - you're two sides of the same coinPete the Greek said:
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
tbaldwin said:
Why would anyone want to tell you what they are?
Anyone who's read more than a handful of your posts knows that anything they say will turn up later as one of the sneers you have when you haven't got an answer fora question you've been asked.
These might save a bit of time if we're getting into 20 questions -
http://www.swp.org.uk/where.php
http://www.swp.org.uk/where.php#barker
BTW as you're so interested in everyone elses political trajectory, what party are you a member of? what's your political history? What are your beliefs?
http://www.swp.org.uk/where.php
http://www.swp.org.uk/where.php#barker
BTW as you're so interested in everyone elses political trajectory, what party are you a member of? what's your political history? What are your beliefs?
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