who are the best paramilitary group and why?

[Herbert Read]

Simply the best!

Combat 16 Arthur Fowler

 

[Idris2002]

Didn't they bump him off?

Jealous of the competition, I guess.

And the state of the art CCTV cameras happened to be switched off at the crucial moment.

What a surprise?

 

[Idris2002]

Nah, it's not on line as far as i know. The interesting thing is that they did start off as (formally) apolitical self-defence organisations, largely set up by the middle-to-large-farmers to protect their trade/produce, but that the rank-and-file landless labourers grew in influence and often ended up running the things on their own terms - and often under the direct influence of the more radical groups around at that time but without alligning themselves with them openly. Opposition to the land steals going on, the removal of peasants from their own land to make way for sheep, rises in the price and shortening of the lengths of leases etc were all brought into question.The problem is that the larger farmers words/proclaimations/etc is all that's been recorded and so it's been easy to write them off. A lot of those resentments actually resurfaced in the 1685 rebellion (and the huge growth in the sects in the following half century) - but in the classic guise of support for 'the good tsar'.

I'd guess like anything hastily formed group in a time of civil war,social disruption and heightened political awareness that they were a mixture of things - some clearly progressive and and some not so - and it would be unfair to expect of them anything else in those conditions.

Comparable to 18th century Irish groups like the Defenders or the Ribbonmen, then?

 

[butchersapron]

Comparable to 18th century Irish groups like the Defenders or the Ribbonmen, then?

Yes, that would be a good comparison i think.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Only that the (green) Ribbonmen were cetrainly like the Clubmen local and decentralised wihtout a clear common platform they were explicitly directed against the (english) Landlord.

 

[Idris2002]

Anglo-Irish rather than english dear boy. Do try to keep up.

And have a look at Roy Foster's Modern Ireland. Has quite a bit of stuff about the Protestant Ascendancy trying to do a whole 'creole nationalism' thing in the 18th century.

Now I think my own organisation, 'West Britons for a United Ireland' needs a military wing. I fancy some of those Bugsy Malone style splurge guns. Think Slab could loan me a few now that's he retired?

 

[Belushi]

Think Slab could loan me a few now that's he retired?

Get me four hundred fags and a drum of red diesel while your at it...

 

[cathal marcs]

What a lamentable immature cunt you are sometimes.

The voice of wisdom speaks.

 

[Rajjie]

I though cockney said they had a few asian members?

What, like me?

 

[Chuck Wilson]

What, like me?

Hopefully every one would be an exact replica.

 

[Dilzybhoy]

How do I vote for irps as well?

 

[revol68]

don't vote organise, put out a death threat on civil servants.

 

[Chuck Wilson]

Anarchist Infantry advancing Milicina Militia Woman standing with rifle

A Xmas must for social anarchists and their children everywhere.

 

[rednblack]

that is a cool website chuck

i know what i want for my birthday...

 

[mk12]

 

[rednblack]

 

[audiotech]

Rioter in parka, Rioter in leather jacket, Rioter in T-shirt, Rioter in parka (with hood up)

 

[mk12]

cheers.