who are the best paramilitary group and why?

[Fedayn]

I mean, even the Loyalists generally stop at shouting abuse at schoolgirls and throwing the odd rock.

Is throwing pipe bombs at 7/8/9 year old girls "generally stopping at shouting"?? I reckon James Morgans family might dispute that claim too. Or the family of two teenage girls murdered by Billy Wrights mates at a mobile shop.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Or the family of two teenage girls murdered by Billy Wrights mates at a mobile shop.

Fair point. Billy Wright was just as prone to murdering schoolgirls as the INLA. There's an equivalency which the "Republican Socialist Movement" can truly be proud of.

 

[Fedayn]

Fair point. Billy Wright was just as prone to murdering schoolgirls as the INLA. There's an equivalency which the "Republican Socialist Movement" can truly be proud of.

Brian, gonna spare us the standard CWI 'two sides of the same coin' mantra?

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Are you going to spare us a backhanded defence of little-girl murdering, churchgoer massacring, finger removing, sectarian shitbags?

I don't think that the republican campaigns of individual terrorism were the same as those of the loyalists by the way. I do think that the republican campaigns were murderous failures and were always doomed to be counterproductive.

 

[cats hammers]

Fair point. Billy Wright was just as prone to murdering schoolgirls as the INLA. There's an equivalency which the "Republican Socialist Movement" can truly be proud of.

Didn't they bump him off?

Jealous of the competition, I guess.

 

[rednblack]

and were always doomed to be counterproductive.

always?

 

[bolshiebhoy]

I like the ones who did this.[/QUOTE]
Thank fuck they didn't get the witch. And I mean that. I would have opened the champagne of course and then stayed in doors for the next decade till the backlash had subsided.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

always?

Yeap he's right.

 

[guinnessdrinker]

thoe men who blew up the spanish prime minister in 1974, under franco, (now known as the first spaniard in space) must be top of the list.

corsican nationalists have developed a fine line in throwing rockets at the french state, but their approach to criminality does not give them any credits.

 

[Dhimmi]

Company A of the Workers Power Revo Battalion

You're not fooling me , that's one of those secret christian militias which A-Q is going to save us from...

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=16671

 

[Fedayn]

Are you going to spare us a backhanded defence of little-girl murdering, churchgoer massacring, finger removing, sectarian shitbags?

Now, just where have I defended any sectarian murders?? Please show me! Where have I defended any sectarian military campaign? Gonna do me a favour, engage with what I said and don't shoot off into lies, false accusations and half-truths.

Now, when you point to anywhere where I defended/condoned/explained away ANY kind of sectarian slaughter in anything I have said in this thread then perhaps you would be right in what you said. But let's be honest given I didn't say it you won't find it.

I long ago gave up on any idea of the romanticised view that many on the Left have of the republican movement. But I didn't then start with the ridiculous 'two sides of the same coin' mantra I heard by all to many safely esconced CWIers in England.

 

[guinnessdrinker]

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=16671

nah. bunch of upstarts. give me french mercenaries anytime against that lot.

 

[audiotech]

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=16671

"We've undergone a paradigm shift in consciousness, in our interpretation of reality," says respected South African political analyst Ed Cain, editor of the erudite journal Signposts. "We are living in the post-Christian era. The free world and the 'former' communist world are being merged. There are no more countries, no more Japanese, no more Mexicans. There are only rich and poor, hi-tech and low-tech, Northern and Southern Hemisphere. Its almost like a new form of virtual Apartheid.

Rebels against the future it is then!

 

[Deareg]

Are you going to spare us a backhanded defence of little-girl murdering, churchgoer massacring, finger removing, sectarian shitbags?

I don't think that the republican campaigns of individual terrorism were the same as those of the loyalists by the way. I do think that the republican campaigns were murderous failures and were always doomed to be counterproductive.

nigel what are your opinions on the role of the british governments and there agencies during the conflict in ireland?

 

[likesfish]

the british state was esentially clueless having left the north to go its own way
most mainland mps had'nt a clue what was going on or cared if they had given slightly more than a damm the troubles would never have happened.
the military had no master plan either
but republicans whineing the uk state used dirty tricks what the fuck did they expect.
uk forces didn't get up in the morning with the thought in there heads lets blow up a bunch of kids cause there catholics or prodestants

 

[rednblack]

uk forces didn't get up in the morning with the thought in there heads lets blow up a bunch of kids cause there catholics or prodestants

happy to work hand in glove with those who did though

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Now, just where have I defended any sectarian murders?

You will note that it was a question not an accusation and it followed a question of your own which misrepresented the view of the Socialist Party.

nigel what are your opinions on the role of the british governments and there agencies during the conflict in ireland?

I think that British imperialism created the problem in the first place and I think that the British state has behaved throughout the period of the troubles in a repressive and sometimes murderous way.

 

[Fedayn]

You will note that it was a question not an accusation and it followed a question of your own which misrepresented the view of the Socialist Party.

you ain't getting away with this one. You're 'question'; was pretty clear, that I was, even if in a 'back-handed way', defending "little-girl murdering, churchgoer massacring, finger removing, sectarian shitbags?". The implications are and were pretty clear.

 

[Kaka Tim]

Best brit paramilitaries?

Robin Hood and his Merry Men. Autonomous, anti-authoritarian armed militia protecting the working class people of the east midlands.

And they had the most swashbuckling outfits.





And those allegations about friar tuck are just plantagenant propagander.

 

[butchersapron]

Somerset Clubmen - fought both the Royalists and the parliamentarians in the civil war - sort of like 250 year early Makhnovshcihna...

 

[Chuck Wilson]

I though cockney said they had a few asian members?

 

[mk12]

A separate battalion? And cockney complains about segregating at meetings.

 

[Chuck Wilson]

This is the London Batallion , the other one was their Yorkshire one. Things are different in London .

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Somerset Clubmen - fought both the Royalists and the parliamentarians in the civil war - sort of like 250 year early Makhnovshcihna...

Only in as much they were a bunch of scabs too mate! We had them here in Wiltshire as well. 'poor silly creatures' (copyright Cromwell) who tried to remain neutral in the great revolutionary war against feudalism.

 

[butchersapron]

Nah, read Brian Manning's PHD dissertation on them to dispel those sort of myths - an rescues them from 'the enormous condescension of history'...

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Is it online anywhere do you know? I only knew of them as nothing like the Levellers in as much as their main motivation was war weariness and an end to plundering by soldiers of both sides. Peace, regardless of the outcome was their goal I thought. Understandable but hardly revolutionary. But I'm prepared to be educated

 

[Top Dog]

nah this seem like a fun bunch to throw my lot in with...

Check out their street parties as well...

 

[butchersapron]

Is it online anywhere do you know? I only knew of them as nothing like the Levellers in as much as their main motivation was war weariness and an end to plundering by soldiers of both sides. Peace, regardless of the outcome was their goal I thought. Understandable but hardly revolutionary. But I'm prepared to be educated

Nah, it's not on line as far as i know. The interesting thing is that they did start off as (formally) apolitical self-defence organisations, largely set up by the middle-to-large-farmers to protect their trade/produce, but that the rank-and-file landless labourers grew in influence and often ended up running the things on their own terms - and often under the direct influence of the more radical groups around at that time but without alligning themselves with them openly. Opposition to the land steals going on, the removal of peasants from their own land to make way for sheep, rises in the price and shortening of the lengths of leases etc were all brought into question.The problem is that the larger farmers words/proclaimations/etc is all that's been recorded and so it's been easy to write them off. A lot of those resentments actually resurfaced in the 1685 rebellion (and the huge growth in the sects in the following half century) - but in the classic guise of support for 'the good tsar'.

I'd guess like anything hastily formed group in a time of civil war,social disruption and heightened political awareness that they were a mixture of things - some clearly progressive and and some not so - and it would be unfair to expect of them anything else in those conditions.

 

[fanta]

what IRA PIRA(now defunct), RIRA or the Contos? For me it has to be the INLA after attack from its inception by the sticks, Counter revolutionary IPLO, Supergrass trials and Q Ball coup the INLA are still unbowed and undefeated. To see the IRSM survive 30 years and is currently growing is an achievement.

The good old mercury tilt switch.

Heres one for the provies

What a lamentable immature cunt you are sometimes.