White supremacist chatroom Stormfront taken offline

Discussion in 'world politics, current affairs and news' started by editor, Aug 29, 2017.

  1. Yossarian

    Yossarian free shrugs

    I'm not going to shed too many tears for the demise of freedom here - as far as I understand it, things like publicly advocating genocide and inciting racial hatred were already illegal. Having a forum like Stormfront open to them was emboldening white supremacists and literally getting people killed, I'm glad they have been deprived of legitimacy.
     
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  2. Miss Caphat

    Miss Caphat I want it that way

    Can someone please walk me through how anything on the internet is actually a free speech issue?

    I can see many cases where it's clearly not a free speech issue, such as a youtube channel censoring comments, or a web forum banning certain users. My understanding is that not allowing contributions of a certain kind, or not at all, does not equal censorship. Just as the opposite does not equal free speech, simply the permission to contribute on the platform offered by the publisher or owner. (I.e. a newspaper not publishing articles by anyone and everyone who submits one is not censorship either. it would be ludicrous to expect that, and it's not preventing anyone from publishing or stating their beliefs elsewhere)
     
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  3. salem

    salem Well-Known Member

    Lots of things that get discussed here are illegal too.
     
  4. taffboy gwyrdd

    taffboy gwyrdd Embrace the confusion!

    I managed to slay my own reputation more than once.

    As for the fate of Scumfront, it begs the question - where will the itchy fingered cretins migrate to?
     
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  5. editor

    editor hiraethified

    I recall that this site, me personally and a few other urban posters had the dubious honour of being mentioned on that awful site.
     
  6. Yossarian

    Yossarian free shrugs

    There's no equivalence - people on here might engage in hyperbole about stringing up Tory landlords, if they actually started doing it maybe the law would take an interest.

    People on sites like Stormfront are advocating the extermination of people from other races, and some of them have actually carried out racist murders.
     
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  7. Obediah Marsh

    Obediah Marsh Active Member

    As I understand it the 1st amendment only applies to speech critical of the government. You can't be arrested or otherwise harassed for criticising the government. That's the extent of it. It has no bearing on private individuals or organisations.
     
  8. 8den

    8den No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...

    It's not a free speech issue, it's a "no one wants to provide you with a platform for your speech to be heard". They're perfectly entitled to free speech, they're not entitled to be provided with a medium for that speech.
     
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  9. 8den

    8den No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...

    Fucking hell, when was this.
     
  10. 8den

    8den No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...

    Years ago my wife was involved in some anti fash stuff in Ireland, and their contact details were shared on Stormfront Ireland.
     
  11. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    A quick look at American history since the enactment of the first amendment shows you very much can be harassed or arrested for criticising the government.
     
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  12. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    But you're wrong about the scope of the first amendment. See e.g. First Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia
     
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  13. Yossarian

    Yossarian free shrugs

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  14. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    Where have I said different?
     
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  15. 8den

    8den No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...

    Soz, I was agreeing with you.
     
  16. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    Sorry, I'm too used to arguing! :D
     
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  17. 8den

    8den No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...

    About to say the same thing. ;0
     
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  18. Rutita1

    Rutita1 Council Estate Socialist

    Good question.
     
  19. Idris2002

    Idris2002 perkins saved by moscow gold

    My guess is Facebook.
     
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  20. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty IdProle

    It had over 100,000 members, if memory serves.
     
  21. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty IdProle

    That Russian version.
     
  22. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    That may not be active members. I think Urban has a larger membership than that, but I could be wrong.

    The overall US murder rate is 5.8 per 100,000. So this one site has nearly 20 times the usual murder rate. Even the murder rate in Chicago, which these people are known to use as a basis for their racism, spiked at 27 murders per 100,000. We still haven't accounted for the number of church burnings, robberies, etc. connected with them.
     
  23. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty IdProle

    Is that annually? The Stormfront murders aren't 100 annually.
     
  24. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    Yep. You're right. :)
     
  25. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty IdProle

    They're probably still higher though (plus there certainly wasn't 100,000 active members).
     
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  26. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    My god, we hope not...
     
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  27. Streathamite

    Streathamite ideological dogmatist

    Bloody hell I forgot him! :eek:
    Mind, if ever an exception proved the rule, that white supremacist did.
     
  28. petee

    petee i'm spartacus

    poll needed
     
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  29. Streathamite

    Streathamite ideological dogmatist

    I wouldn't put it past them to secretly set up version 2.0
     
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  30. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    Publick tho mind
     

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