White supremacist chatroom Stormfront taken offline

Discussion in 'world politics, current affairs and news' started by editor, Aug 29, 2017.

  1. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    It provides a conundrum for free speech advocates, but I won't be crying over the loss of this site.
    Stormfront: 'murder capital of internet' pulled offline after civil rights action
     
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  2. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    Just for comparison, how many killings have been attributed to U75 posters? Would I be right in saying 0?
     
  3. Idris2002

    Idris2002 the liberation forces make movies of their own

    Do you mean in their heads, or in real life?
     
  4. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    That US nutjob Diesel certainly tried.
     
  5. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    Real life, chuck
     
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  6. Idris2002

    Idris2002 the liberation forces make movies of their own

    And then there was our very own Tobyjug.
     
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  7. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    He was more into trying to ruin people's holidays.
     
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  8. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

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  9. I wonder how many killers and right wing nutters use twitter and Facebook?
     
  10. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    A fair few, I'm sure. As a percentage of the total, probably fairly small.
     
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  11. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    Yeh. But who decides what's criminal?
     
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  12. skyscraper101

    skyscraper101 0891 50 50 50

    Who was Diesel? And what's the story there?
     
  13. Idris2002

    Idris2002 the liberation forces make movies of their own

    [​IMG]
     
  14. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    He was a long-term US neo-nazi inolved with all sorts of horrible things. He himself shot a black bloke twice, was convicted of trying to blow up MLK, acted as a strong arm man for a notorious racist Seattle slum lord and many other shitty things. Last seen ten years ago getting 8 years for gun-running. I think he did that then went back in for further arms violations. He would be 77 if he's alive today. He posted on here for a number of years as diesel.
     
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  15. BemusedbyLife

    BemusedbyLife Well-Known Member

    I'm fairly sure that most people would agree murder is a crime, I'm all in favour of respecting free speech even for tossers like these but I would (and I'm sure pretty much 99.999% of humanity) draw the line long before we get to the killing part.
     
  16. kropotkin

    kropotkin libcom

    I'd forgotten about quite how much of a shit he was.
     
  17. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    So you're not in favour of respecting free speech: you're quite happy to draw the line for others
     
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  18. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    Our lawmakers. There's all sort of laws that are similar. A lot of cities have "nuisance" laws for rental properties that attract crime. Many cities have a "three strikes" law regarding rental properties. If the police are called to an address more than three times in a certain period of time, the city can require that the landlord evict the renters or face fines. This is just an online version of a property that attracts crime.

    This may already fall within an existing law in the US.

    Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act - Wikipedia

    Its a pretty vague law and has been applied to a lot of things that it wasn't originally conceived to apply.

    The purpose of shutting them down is to prevent more murders. The government has a reasonable interest in furthering public safety. The impact on free speech is only incidental.
     
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  19. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    I bet the FBI are going to be a bit miffed that their largest informer recruitment program has been disrupted.
     
  20. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    These would be the same lawmakers who among other things pass laws impacting on black people's ability to vote and giving people carte blanche to drive into demonstrations.
     
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  21. BemusedbyLife

    BemusedbyLife Well-Known Member

    Now you're being a pedant, If people go on the internet or the telly and rant on about how much they hate blacks, gays, gingers, refugees, immigrants, take your pick then no matter how offensive I find it then I accept they have a right to say it, You can't believe in free speech if you aren't prepared to accept that people will say something you don't like. The line gets drawn at action or encouraging others to act, the law recognises that not perfectly maybe but it does recognise it.
     
  22. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    Neither of those would likely survive a constitutional challenge.

    I'm not suggesting that you criminalize speech. Only the collective effect on public safety of criminal networking which is resulting in murder.
     
  23. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    By that argument, you'd have to close down WhatsApp, Telegram, Facebook and a shit load of other resources used by criminals.
     
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  24. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    Those all exist mainly for legitimate purposes. A place with so few users, yet 100 murders credited to it, exists for very little else other than criminal networking.

    Print entities have been held responsible for similar things.

    Soldier of Fortune Found Liable in 'Gun for Hire' Ad Linked to Killing
     
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  25. Obediah Marsh

    Obediah Marsh Well-Known Member

    This will be a real achievement if it sticks. Nobody cares about the Stormer clown show but taking down Stormfront is a major success. Is there any chance they can come back from this?
     
  26. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    what a pedant i am, pointing out your readiness to draw the line. but i must applaud your innovative variation on millions of pms of support.
     
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  27. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    they came back from 1945, didn't they?
     
  28. Yossarian

    Yossarian free shrugs

    It was shameful, he used to sign off every post with 88888888, which is Nazi code for "Heil Hitler, Heil Hitler..." and people complained about it, but he passed himself off as a polite lawyerly type and fooled one or two moderators into taking his side when people wanted him banned.

    He used to express astonishment at being called a "ladypart" when people called him a cunt, the Nazi cunt.
     
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  29. salem

    salem Well-Known Member

    I won't miss stormfront, but I can't help but feel a bit of sadness at the rapidly declining demise of the free internet. I guess in hindsight it was always inevitable but lets not for a moment think that such shutdowns will be limited to the 'bad guys'. Of course our own Theresa May has worked very hard to bring in her own little controls - brought in for paedophiles and terrorists but will be applied far wider in practice.

    This wasn't shut down by lawmakers or anything though, rather it seems their domain registrar Network Solutions (a pretty shonky setup in my experience!) pulled the plug.
     
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  30. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    No, it wasn't shut down by the government. I think they realized that they might have a liability problem if they didn't pull the plug. Soldier of Fortune was pretty much put out of print over a murder for hire ad in their magazine.
     
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