zenie
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Zenie, are you a Blairite or a Tory, no wonder the movement is fucked with comments like that, Thatchers Children indeed
It was a pisstake, get yourself a sense of humour old man.
White Season: The Poles Are Coming!
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It was a pisstake, get yourself a sense of humour old man.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
So why isn't he working - if people who can't speak English can travel from central Europe to his area to find the same £7.00 an hour jobs how come he can't ?
_angel_
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I think the BBC have a fucking huge agenda when it comes to benefit claimants quite frankly.
The stitch up job they did on IB claimants was frankly, disgusting. They also do the same for lone parents, making out either we're a) too lazy to work or b) too stupid to realise we'd be better off (sometimes we wouldn't be anyway, but hey!)
They've 'covered' the 'problem' of lone parents on benefit on BBC news without ever, once, anywhere mentioning the C word (childcare). It was quite staggering. I do not trust them one bit.
_angel_
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It's Norman Tebbit!
zenie
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Did you not take it all with a big pinch of salt?
I find it highly unlikely, in fact i refuse to believe that even a small proportion of immigrants are paid 7 quid an hour to work on a farm.
It's just not as transparent as the programme owuld like you to think.
The fact is migrants will and do work for lower wages.
Spion
I hear ya
Fair enough (even tho I've no idea what programmes you're on about), but that's not an answer to the question is it?
Spion
I hear ya
So, you think the £7/hour thing was lies?
Spion
I hear ya
That's just daft, Angel. Throwing names doesn't deal with the argument, does it?
People move all over the place to work.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
No, I didn't take it with a pinch of salt. £7.00 is poor money for mature adults with family responsibilities.
If they actually work - without breaks - for 10 hours a day 5 days a week (I know the programme said 6 but lets see what a 5-day week works out to be), it's £350.00 before tax. That's rubbish for the hours worked and the kinds of responsibilities most have.
_angel_
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It's not daft. By and large the Poles coming to do this kind of work are young and can just up sticks and move to another country for a few months or years, share rooms and save some cash. We don't know if the guy who responded he'd love the chance of a job was older/ had a family etc. The whole 'get on your bike and look for work' just doesn't take into account peoples lives/ family ties. Maybe he has got a mortgage to pay off on a house and can't just move. Not everyone is as flexible as, generally speaking, young people with no commitments.
It sounds about right - maybe slightly on the high side, I used to get £3 per hour working for Peterborough gangmasters but that was about 15 years ago now - I'd be very wary about extrapolating that all gangmaster jobs pay the same though - there's a hell of a lot of sharp practices and outright illegality in that sector which the program didnt address.
Also, these jobs are seasonal, casual and backbreaking - to earn 2K a week you'd be working like a Trojan and the job probably wouldnt last long - like you said its best for earning when you need to get on your feet rather than a long term option.
zenie
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Not on that farm they were showing, but certainly elsewhere yes.
I didn't say it wasn't shit money did I?
What do you suggest then? Seeing as it's well above minimum wage
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
Nah, they're welcome to the jobs I don't want to do. I'd certainly advise them to unionise though.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
I was responding to (a) you "pinch of salt" comment (I didn't take it with a pinch of salt), and (b) your "highly unlikely" comment that they were really earing £7.00 (I think it is likely)Not on that farm they were showing, but certainly elsewhere yes.
I didn't say it wasn't shit money did I?
What do you suggest then? Seeing as it's well above minimum wage
What do I suggest? People in the Fens try and make better excuses for not wanting to work in fields 10 hours a day for £7.00 an hour, or the British public pay more for their trendy veg to be picked by good ole, home-grown workers.
Spion
I hear ya
In large part I meant calling people the name of a politician who many under 30 wouldn't recognise is a bit daft.
Yeah, sure people have differing abilities to move to find work but plenty - in fact millions - manage to. Did you watch the programme? One person they focussed on was 40, another was a woman with two kids, another was a family with two kids.
Spion
I hear ya
Yep, fair enough. But without really knowing it's hard to have a discussion about it.
zenie
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I was responding to (a) you "pinch of salt" comment (I didn't take it with a pinch of salt), and (b) your "highly unlikely" comment that they were really earing £7.00 (I think it is likely)
What do I suggest? People in the Fens try and make better excuses for not wanting to work in fields 10 hours a day for £7.00 an hour, or the British public pay more for their trendy veg to be picked by good ole, home-grown workers.
I didn't say they weren't paid 7 quid on that farm in the programme, you don't think the beeb might have picked a good farm to go and film at? Come on don't be so gullible!
Is it about paying more? Or is about the supermarkets not making such a profit and forcing labour to be cheap so they have no choice but to use a low paid migrant workforce?
As for the people in the fens, I'm not really sure what happens there! I wouldn't wanna work picking fruit, I've worked cleaning so I'd do something like that though if I had to. But then if I was really no better off, and I was fuckin knackered from working long hours trying to make ends meet, I'd probably just sit myarse on the dole. Who can blame them really?
IBut then if I was really no better off, and I was fuckin knackered from working long hours trying to make ends meet, I'd probably just sit myarse on the dole. Who can blame them really?
It's a self respect thing though isn't it? I'd rather do something than claim, the usual issues about any work affecting your JSA claim notwithstanding.
Is £7 an hour really that bad for veg picking? As unpleasant as the task is, nearly everyone but the largest scale of farmer works bloody hard for little reward. I doubt many small farmers/landowners get anywhere close to £7p/h. There's a wider issue about how much we're willing to pay for our food, but in isolation this wage doesn't seem too horrific.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
They found the bloke in Poland, and then followed it thought - they didn't pick the farm first, decide on this particular worker and then take him back to Poland to 'pretend'I didn't say they weren't paid 7 quid on that farm in the programme, you don't think the beeb might have picked a good farm to go and film at? Come on don't be so gullible!
Maybe there was some 'discussion' about which Gangmaster and farms would accept filming . . . . or maybe there wasn't
Good post. I see in general somebody expressing suprise that somebody from an asian background was saying that immigration should be controlled more strictly.
Some people on urban seem remarkably nieve about economic migration and its effects.
Most people in the UK Black White or Asian have serious concerns about immigration levels at the moment.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
It's cos they is poor as all, init.
Paulie Tandoori
shut it you egg!
i'd certainly consider it, so that's one for your survey. i got £2.50p/h and told that i should be happy with that. cos most of em paid £2.00 or even £1.50p/h.
Idris2002
Stay Alive in '25
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