White middleclass Locusts Fuel buy to let boom.

[nino_savatte]

I have very little idea....But it honestly would not suprise me if you came from a working class background....Ive met people who come across as right stuck up snobs and found out later that they came from working class backgrounds...In lots of ways i think its more sad.

Well, once again, you fail to disappoint! Another baudouin classic.

Admit it, you're an inverted snob.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Unfortunately they've got rid of it now, but for many years Belgium taxed any profit made selling a house at a hefty 75%, thus all but eliminating property speculation and keeping house prices right down.

Introducing such a tax now would have the effect of stopping the speculators in their tracks without triggering panic selling.

But it'd never get through the green paper stage, would it?

You're hardly going to get the parliamentary turkeys voting for Christmas.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Well, once again, you fail to disappoint! Another baudouin classic.

Admit it, you're an inverted snob.

I suspect Balders sees himself as an exception to this disgusting class-betrayal perpetrated by the workers.

Mind you, he did say he'd bought his gaff under "right to buy", IIRC...

 

[littlebabyjesus]

But it'd never get through the green paper stage, would it?

You're hardly going to get the parliamentary turkeys voting for Christmas.

Belgium got rid of it a few years ago to coincide with the first post-communism EU enlargement. Surprise, surprise, a great deal of money was made by speculators as the new wave of bureaucrats hit town and house prices surged from their very low base. Up till then, Brussels had been a fine example of a rich city in a rich country with many immigrants and plentiful work, but very low house prices. Large numbers of people lived in nice apartments and paid very very little in mortgage repayments, leaving them with more money to enjoy life.

Really, nearly everyone would be a winner here. It ought to be a vote-winner.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Belgium got rid of it a few years ago to coincide with the first post-communism EU enlargement. Surprise, surprise, a great deal of money was made by speculators as the new wave of bureaucrats hit town and house prices surged from their very low base. Up till then, Brussels had been a fine example of a rich city in a rich country with many immigrants and plentiful work, but very low house prices. Large numbers of people lived in nice apartments and paid very very little in mortgage repayments, leaving them with more money to enjoy life.

Really, nearly everyone would be a winner here. It ought to be a vote-winner.

I'm sure it would be a vote-winner, unfortunately it'd have to get through parliament first, and all those lovely people with multiple homes would shit their kecks and either panic sell (you're not telling me they wouldn't use their "insider knowledge" to beat the legislation, are you? ) or keep hold of the homes until they could find a way to put them into trust or suchlike.

BTW, in Belgium, did the taxes go to central govt or to the local govt for local use?

 

[nino_savatte]

Mind you, he did say he'd bought his gaff under "right to buy", IIRC...

<runs chin> Did he now? What social class did he say he was now?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

BTW, in Belgium, did the taxes go to central govt or to the local govt for local use?

Don't know. I'd have to ask my sister, who lives there.

 

[subversplat]

In some areas it is your White Middle class peeps who causing this problem, in Bolton though there are a lot of working class Asian and white Landlords.

Working class landlords?

If anything could be guaranteed to put you out of the working class bracket, I'd say it would be to become a landlord of all things!

 

[Bear]

Second homes-wise, I'd love to ban second homes, but would settle in the short term for stopping people who already own one home buying another existing home - if they want another home they have to acquire the land, submit plans, and develop the property themselves, so a new home gets built, rather than one being taken out of circulation.
Most of all I'd like to see a surge in local authority social housing development, coupled with the removal of "right to buy" from anyone given a tenancy in these new properties (and preferably from current tenants in already-existing social housing too).

I'd go for that

 

[brasicritique]

What causes the lack of social housing in the south is lack of new build.

What causes the shortage of affordable private rentals (which has nothing to do with "social housing") is landlordism, whoever it's carried out by (predominantly, as you say, "white middle class" in the south-east).

Yes i totally agree with you and now feel ill. you used the term "white middleclass" funny how blagsta and babygee have let you get away with that VP and yet they have still not come out and stated if they agree with the threads proposition after all i am sure we all want to see more social houisng built and agree that it is a cause of tensions between communities?

 

[brasicritique]

How very interesting for you to say that "Colour has quite a lot to do with it"...but only when it suits you - non??

Non ?is your second house in France? Back to pot and kettle politics Nino maybe its very interesting that both colour and gender demographics are used by everyone one and everyone but then you seem to be suggesting that they can only be used when it suits you. One rule for the comrades ....

Who are these "middle class people" and what defines them as a group?

I think it fairly obvious who they are especially if one considers disposable income but then you know this do you not nino

Maybe i should start a new thread called White A,B,C 1' Locusts fuel buy to let as i have obviously touched a raw nerve

Why have you decided to pick on "white middle class people" as opposed to other skin colours? ,

If you are a Marxist or at least agree with the proposition that 'white middleclass people' are the main driving force behind capitalism then i do not see why this presents you with such problem

You are a aware that there is a Black and Asian middle class too,

Did you read any of my earlier posts on this thread in which the intellectual non entity that is blagsta raised a similar point? Ask a silly question.....

??[/QUOTE]why have you omitted them from your 'thesis'? Furthermore, what do demographics have to do with this 'thesis' [/QUOTE]

I omitted them deliberately so i could fall into your cunningly crafted trap that would ultimately reveal me as a neo-nazi

I have not omitted no one-I started this thread to highlight the hypocrisy on these boards with regards to the issue of social housing, and white middleclass people that’s all- from a regionalist perspective

Isn't the problem with the system rather than the individuals?

Actually the problem is with both. Unless you are arguing that systems work without individuals? Which individuals benefit most from the system nino? And do you think demographics are important in coming to any conclusion?

 

[brasicritique]

I think you have managed to flush out a few closet racists with this thread brassic.........

Its sad but true...

I love the way the right on liberals have taken offence.....and said "Oh but the Asians and Blacks are doing it as well"
And then in the next sentence!!!!! go on to say its about class....
I wonder how many of them stand to inherit a hefty wedge from relatives....

i wonder tbaldwin i wonder...

 

[Callie]

Working class landlords?

If anything could be guaranteed to put you out of the working class bracket, I'd say it would be to become a landlord of all things!

I dont understand it fully either but maybe northern means renting out rooms in your own home (which you do not own)? because you have to


no i dont understand!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yes i totally agree with you and now feel ill.

Poor you.

you used the term "white middleclass" funny how blagsta and babygee have let you get away with that VP

It's accurate, there's nothing to "get away" with. It's inescapable that if 92% of the population are "white british", and if 40% of the population are "middle class", then there are precious few "black middle class" folk, let alone "black middle class landlords". That doesn't mean there are none, it just means the amount of them is insignificant compared to the "white middle class" landlords.
of course, it's also been show again and again over the last 20 years that it's more difficult for black (or BME, as the youth say) people have greater difficulty securing mortgages ("institutional racism" again) than whites do.
Combine that with (using a sweeping generalisation) old-fashioned middle-class self-interest, and as usual everyone downwind of them gets splattered with their shit.

and yet they have still not come out and stated if they agree with the threads proposition after all i am sure we all want to see more social houisng built and agree that it is a cause of tensions between communities?

I don't see how anyone, especially with reference to the south of the UK, can disagree with the proposition. While I'm sure there are some non-white, non-middle class exploiters of "buy to let", the white middle class are in a better position to have the equity, liquidity and lack of social conscience to indulge/invest in "buy to let".

 

[brasicritique]

Well blagsta and and babygee would disagree and nino

 

[Blagsta]

You really are quite silly brassicattack.

 

[Fruitloop]

Depressing that a quite worthwhile thread about buy-to-let seems to have been trumped by a silly one about race. But not entirely surprising, I suppose.

 

[tbaldwin]

I suspect Balders sees himself as an exception to this disgusting class-betrayal perpetrated by the workers.

Mind you, he did say he'd bought his gaff under "right to buy", IIRC...

er Did I????? Well you will be able to fnd the quote then wont you????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

 

[nino_savatte]

oops

 

[nino_savatte]

Non ?is your second house in France? Back to pot and kettle politics Nino maybe its very interesting that both colour and gender demographics are used by everyone one and everyone but then you seem to be suggesting that they can only be used when it suits you. One rule for the comrades ....



I think it fairly obvious who they are especially if one considers disposable income but then you know this do you not nino

Maybe i should start a new thread called White A,B,C 1' Locusts fuel buy to let as i have obviously touched a raw nerve



If you are a Marxist or at least agree with the proposition that 'white middleclass people' are the main driving force behind capitalism then i do not see why this presents you with such problem



Did you read any of my earlier posts on this thread in which the intellectual non entity that is blagsta raised a similar point? Ask a silly question.....

I don't think you're feeling very well, mate. So I won't dignify this screed with a proper reply.

Needless to say, this is typical of your one-dimensional style

Non ?is your second house in France?

You aren't the sharpest tool in the box. Though the word "tool" is very apposite in your case.

 

[nino_savatte]

er Did I????? Well you will be able to fnd the quote then wont you????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Ah, another "working class landlord".

 

[ViolentPanda]

er Did I????? Well you will be able to fnd the quote then wont you?????????????????????

Sorry, Yoda. You'll have to actually phrase that in punctuated English if you want an answer, as I don't understand Drivel.

 

[tbaldwin]

Sorry, Yoda. You'll have to actually phrase that in punctuated English if you want an answer, as I don't understand Drivel.

where did i say id bought my gaff under right to buy?

PS is gaff the kind of word you used to impress Anne and Michael at the Home Office.

 

[ViolentPanda]

where did i say id bought my gaff under right to buy?

Who's "id", a mate of yours?
If you read my post correctly, you'll see I said "IIRC".
So, if I feel like it, I'll have a ramble through the archives later and see if I did recall correctly..
If I feel like it.

PS is gaff the kind of word you used to impress Anne and Michael at the Home Office.

You really are a transparently sad twat, balders.

 

[nino_savatte]

where did i say id bought my gaff under right to buy?

PS is gaff the kind of word you used to impress Anne and Michael at the Home Office.

Are those who bought their council homes under RTB working class, balders?

You see, a key criterion for being working class is that you don't own your own home.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Are those who bought their council homes under RTB working class, balders?

You see, a key criterion for being working class is that you don't own your own home.

Or rather, the last time any decent effort (so we shouldn't, IMHO, count the numerous contributions which used self-attribution as a key marker) was put into attempting to outline class differentiation, a key definer was that a member of the working class was unlikely to own their own home.

 

[tbaldwin]

Looks like you two are at your normal game.
I wonder when you will come up with a quote VP for your claim?

And as for a key criterion for being working class being that you dont own your own home,do you not think that is exactly what the likes of the Mail would like people to believe.

You 2 often criticise me for my claim to be a Socialist.

But what exactly do you 2 believe in?

Its almost like the 2 of you have been created by Littlejohn as daft out of touch miserable lefties...

 

[nino_savatte]

You 2 often criticise me for my claim to be a Socialist.

But what exactly do you 2 believe in?

That's because you're about as much of a socialist as Pol Pot.

You're beginning to sound like mears. If you want to follow some sort of belief system that is based on the misrepresentation of Marx's works, go ahead.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I don't see how anyone, especially with reference to the south of the UK, can disagree with the proposition. While I'm sure there are some non-white, non-middle class exploiters of "buy to let", the white middle class are in a better position to have the equity, liquidity and lack of social conscience to indulge/invest in "buy to let".

You miss the point entirely. Their behaviour is explained by their income and wealth, not by their race, so to introduce race into the discussion is wrong.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Looks like you two are at your normal game.
I wonder when you will come up with a quote VP for your claim?

When I feel like it.

And as for a key criterion for being working class being that you dont own your own home,do you not think that is exactly what the likes of the Mail would like people to believe.

No, I don't, I think the likes of the Mail would like to believe that"the underclass" don't own their own homes, and that Thatcher's dream of buying working-class votes with "right to buy" worked, and turned "the working class" into property-owners or wannabe property-owners
Also, what part of "...last time any decent effort (so we shouldn't, IMHO, count the numerous contributions which used self-attribution as a key marker) was put into attempting to outline class differentiation, a key definer was that a member of the working class was unlikely to own their own home." didn't you understand?

You 2 often criticise me for my claim to be a Socialist.

But what exactly do you 2 believe in?

Its almost like the 2 of you have been created by Littlejohn as daft out of touch miserable lefties...

Whatever, mr "authoritarian socialist".