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I actually think it's a real movement away from the party establishments. I think the media with most of their people in one camp or the other don't know how to report this.
White Democrats not voting for Obama
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I actually think it's a real movement away from the party establishments. I think the media with most of their people in one camp or the other don't know how to report this.
Johnny Canuck3
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I wonder how true that is. The endorsement of Ted Kennedy was seen as a big feather in the cap of the Obama camp.
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I don't count Obama, Hillary or McCain in the new hippie Independent movement. They're all suits. Obama seems to be the hip candidate but so was Bill Clinton sort of. Obama hasn't laid out what he will do that is radically different than anybody else. And the truth is this. The people in the US don't control the government by electing officials. And the elected officials don't control the government either. It's the big money and special interest that run the government. This is what more people are waking up to and they're fed up. The thing is there is a sense of hopelessness due to nobody taking independents seriously, or for that matter any mainstream candidate that has a few radical ideas. They might not even be allowed to be heard without the approval of the two parties (which are increasingly polarized) and the media which supports the two party system. So Joe voter has to compromise and support the traditional parties because they're given no choice. And that's democracy. How can a superdelegate fit into the mechanics of a democratic government?
Johnny Canuck3
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I totally agree with that. Colour and gender mean nothing.
Johnny Canuck3
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FridgeMagnet
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This isn't exactly what you'd call new, though, is it?
Despite the frothing partisanship of the mainstream US internet politics scene, the endless infighting blogs, I've never seen such profound disillusionment with the entire system as I did around the '04 election amongst _real_ people. No matter what background people were coming from, fundamentalist Christian, stereotypical liberal, old-school union, technocratic free-marketeer, everyone could always agree that the whole thing was a farce. I even ended up finding common ground with an Ann Coulter fancier on the basis that it was all theatre and hey, she's good at theatre.
FridgeMagnet
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But this will be the election that proves that you can be black, or a woman, and still be The Man.
Progress!
Johnny Canuck3
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Except that McCain will be the next president.
FridgeMagnet
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No he won't. He's not got enough internal support within the party, and the Republicans won't win the next election anyway because people are sick of them. If you get sick of politics for long enough you start to associate it with whichever party has been in power, regardless of your affiliation. It was ridiculously close the last time and this time it will go over the edge.
(You have my permission to point and laugh if that doesn't happen.)
Johnny Canuck3
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In the end, you don't think the party will support him, to prevent a hated Clinton, or a black man, from becoming president? They'll fall right into line.
FridgeMagnet
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No, actually, I don't, or at least not enough - I think enough of them will continue backstabbing as far as they can, for too long, until it becomes obvious that the party has lost and they say "oh wait, shit, maybe that wasn't a good idea".
But actually even if they did support him, they'd still lose IMO; this isn't the slick Karl Rove war machine it was, it's gone rusty, and even Rove couldn't make up for actual consequences of policy, the appreciation of which is starting to filter through. Not that that policy is really going to change much, but promise that it will and people will say "hell why not, it's worth a try".
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No not new but when people are fed up that much is a revelation for that one voter. Back in the Carter years and even the Reagan presidency this super-polarization in congress didn't exist. It's gotten worse over the last 20 years. Even in the media the way a politician is talked about is different then back then. There was some level of respect for the person but it's not there now.
nino_savatte
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Quite, he's too auld. I think voters are looking for change and they want someone younger at the helm.
But have countries like Canada and the UK ever had a serious contender for Prime Minister who was something other than white?
Maybe these countries are color blind.
Disraeli was jewish. Other than that, probably not.
felixthecat
are we there yet?
Well, someones voting for him
and I don't think that the Democrats have a majority of African-americans.Yup, white people are. Overwhelmingly.
I think hillary's second round of crocodile tears backfired spectacularly.
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Johnny Canuck3
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Maybe the country is getting ready to elect a woman or a black, to be the fall guy for the upcoming fallout from the Bush years, ie the economy, the war, etc.
When things inevitably start going to hell, they'll forget about Bush, look at the incumbent, and say, 'see, told you a [woman, black] couldn't run the country.'
When things inevitably start going to hell, they'll forget about Bush, look at the incumbent, and say, 'see, told you a [woman, black] couldn't run the country.'
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I think you might be right.
You think that maybe the US people will only elect a woman/black, just to blame them for the disastrous war you supported?
Strange logic.......
I'm sure you were very happy with Bush's actions after the 9/11 attacks. I remember you posting your support. What's changed?
Johnny Canuck3
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You think that maybe the US people will only elect a woman/black, just to blame them for the disastrous war you supported?
Strange logic.......
I'm sure you were very happy with Bush's actions after the 9/11 attacks. I remember you posting your support. What's changed?
911 was more than 6 years ago. Lots of water under the bridge.
Yuwipi Woman
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Which e-mail? Was it the one claiming he's a Muslim who wants to get elected and then turn the country over to Osama bin Laden, the one claiming that he won't put his hand over his heart during the pledge of allegience, or the one claiming to be from the head of the NAACP saying he won't vote for Obama because of X....
There's a lot of smear e-mails out there.
There's a lot of smear e-mails out there.
nino_savatte
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These stories are liked to get more whacked out as time moves on.
ive gotten some of those as well....
obama may very well (its looking more likely by the day) be the next president...
meers et al. should just, i dunno, get over it!
also...i heard that he snuck down to raleigh nc this past weekend to court john edwards....i reallllllllly hope hes his running mate.
nino_savatte
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"Mears get over it"? Unlikely. I would imagine he's generating loads of anti-Obama spam from the comfort of his own home. 
Its the one claiming Obama was raised by a Wahabiist step father and that its a conspiracy to destroy the US from the inside.
Excerpt:
and it ends:
Yuwipi Woman
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I've seen it. That's the one I figured it was.
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