When you die...
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bluestreak
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me too.
game over man, game over.
take your watch back IB, and get yourself a nice new hat with the money.
game over man, game over.
take your watch back IB, and get yourself a nice new hat with the money.
8ball
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Sometimes when I talk about the 70s young people look blank at me before saying 'I wasn't alive then', which I always thought an interesting variation on 'I wasn't born then' or whatever. 
The other day while conversing about the weather over the water cooler some young turk said 'I wouldn't know about 1976, I was dead back then', which I thought an even cooler variation, not sure if it's in general usage, he is a bit weird.
I always found the fear of death (rather than dying) a bit odd as the last thirty-something years have been way more traumatic than the preceding 15.2 billion.
The other day while conversing about the weather over the water cooler some young turk said 'I wouldn't know about 1976, I was dead back then', which I thought an even cooler variation, not sure if it's in general usage, he is a bit weird.
I always found the fear of death (rather than dying) a bit odd as the last thirty-something years have been way more traumatic than the preceding 15.2 billion.
ska invita
back on the other side
This is a great book for idiots like me:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0028632346/102-3564922-7387319?v=glance&n=283155
or
http://www.cinemind.com/atwater/cig.html
By looking at near death experiences we learn a lot about consciousness as well as death.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0028632346/102-3564922-7387319?v=glance&n=283155
or
http://www.cinemind.com/atwater/cig.html
By looking at near death experiences we learn a lot about consciousness as well as death.
max_freakout
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a more immediate question, what happens to your consciousness when you sleep?
max_freakout
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i keep mine in a cup of salt-water by the bed 
max_freakout
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In Bloom said:
Ive been having this argument a lot recently
There is NO evidence for materialism, absolutely zilch, please prove me wrong, what is the evidence??
Materialism assumes only what the evidence demonstrates. There is no unrefuted evidence for anything non-material, so as far as I'm concerned there is no reason to believe that there is anything other than the material.max_freakout said:Ive been having this argument a lot recently
There is NO evidence for materialism, absolutely zilch, please prove me wrong, what is the evidence??
max_freakout
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In Bloom said:
But there is no evidence for the existence of 'matter' AFAIK
Not in the way that materialism/science defines 'matter' anyway
max_freakout
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Loki said:
Susan Greenfield (in all her genius
) said that 'you are your brain', i think that sums it up......fudgefactorfive
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max_freakout said:But there is no evidence for the existence of 'matter' AFAIK
Not in the way that materialism/science defines 'matter' anyway
Well there is no evidence for anything at all if you want to take that route - everything we know about the universe is necessarily derived via the senses. Yes, I weigh a bit less than ten stone, but it could just be the pixie that put my brain in the jar making me think that by lying etc. etc.
There is however plenty of evidence for all this apparent "stuff" lying around in the sense of there being a logical, verifable, repeatable, consistent (albeit self-referential) system to explain it better than the Book of Lesser Pixie Ramblings can, which of course is a value judgement, so shoot me. It may be subjective evidence but it is evidence, or so it appears to me, even if my view, my data, is utterly limited.
I believe (and yes, it's a belief, although I'd say it's more than a faith) that there is only one thing, The Thing, and there is no reason to invoke anything else. I can't do tests on the Thing without being part of it. That's just tough.
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
max_freakout said:
nothing. it's there, asleep. you know, just ticking over while your body gets all the rest it needs. sometimes you dream, which is, you know, what your consciousness does when your body sleeps.
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bluestreak said:
i prefer to imagine i go on an epic voyage into the vortex and retieve the philosopher's stone from its sacred nesting place, EVERY night
And then forget it all just in time for waking up
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fudgefactorfive said:
Not strictly true, we know that (for example) 1 + 1 = 2, completely independently of the senses, it's called a priori knowledge
fudgefactorfive said:There is however plenty of evidence for all this apparent "stuff" lying around in the sense of there being a logical, verifable, repeatable, consistent (albeit self-referential) system to explain it better than the Book of Lesser Pixie Ramblings can, which of course is a value judgement, so shoot me. It may be subjective evidence but it is evidence, or so it appears to me, even if my view, my data, is utterly limited.
I believe (and yes, it's a belief, although I'd say it's more than a faith) that there is only one thing, The Thing, and there is no reason to invoke anything else. I can't do tests on the Thing without being part of it. That's just tough.
This ^ says nothing of 'matter' though, which is a very specific belief about the substratum of the Universe
fudgefactorfive
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max_freakout said:Not strictly true, we know that (for example) 1 + 1 = 2, completely independently of the senses, it's called a priori knowledge
This ^ says nothing of 'matter' though, which is a very specific belief about the substratum of the Universe
Didn't think it was all that specific
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fudgefactorfive said:Didn't think it was all that specific
There are physics textbooks ad infinitum detailing the nature of 'matter', pretty specific id say for something that noone has ever actually seen....
fudgefactorfive
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max_freakout said:
All those textbooks are subtly different, there are as many conceptions of matter as there are people
Dunno about you but I see "it" all the time
Seems to me I run into three broad classes of people - people who believe there are no things, people like me who think there is one Thing, and the majority, who break the world up into two or more things (usually either matter/energy or matter/spirit). Predictably I get a bit freaked out by people who use the words "energy" or "spirit" too much. They're just another flavour of Thing.
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fudgefactorfive said:Dunno about you but I see "it" all the time
When i look around all i see is a patchwork mosaic of coloured light, not matter
When do you see matter?
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max_freakout said:When i look around all i see is a patchwork mosaic of coloured light, not matter
When do you see matter?
Light is matter.
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fudgefactorfive said:
I thought matter was solid?And light was a beam of photons?
The light that we see is refected off the surface of matter, but it isnt the matter itself
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max_freakout said:
Nope
And light was a beam of photons?
Depends where you're standing
The light that we see is refected off the surface of matter, but it isnt the matter itself
Nothing is "just itself"
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Matter isnt solid? Well i dont know what matter is in that case i always thought it was
fudgefactorfive
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max_freakout said:Matter isnt solid? Well i dont know what matter is in that case i always thought it was
Nope, it's not even vaguely solid, except in the sense that there aren't really any gaps between so-called apparently separate "things". Keep looking at smaller and smaller things, and at the apparent "gaps" between things, and you'll just find more stuff ... until you've gone so small there's nothing suitable to do the "looking" with and you're into the realm of the quantum foam where it's all somewhat crazed. There's no difference between "objects" (eg. atoms) and "forces" (photons). It's all just one Thing that has a very peculiar shape. Really, it just comes down to language. It doesn't actually matter much (boom boom) whether you say it's all matter or all energy, all object or all force. These are arbitrary distinctions that we are tempted to make, just because we occupy a certain ... scale.
that's quite enough stoned waffle for today i think
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