When the levees broke: tonight

[camouflage]

You'll have to excuse my lack of sophistication here, but generally when people throw terms like "black people" into a conversation, I assume they're talking about race rather than, say, height or shoe size.

This doesn't mean I thought this film would be about race... the whole Katrina thing had an obvious racial element to it (as do all things Amerikkka related) but it wasn't a forgone conclusion on my part that the film was about the US governments hatred of black Americans specifically. I only mentioned 'black' because that's what Spike "the twat" Lee usually sells himself as, and therefore he tries to attach himself to anything where a black American has something to say (even if they're talking about the wather).

 

[Groucho]

I liked Spike Lee's early cocky stuff. Malcom X was an extremely good film too and needed to be made.

This documentary though, shows a mature Spike Lee. One of its strengths is that it allows the film footage and the people to speak for themselves. Sure it is edited to convey a particular take on the matter, but not in a crass way. Some of the conclusions you draw whilst viewing are inescapable. The more overt political points targeting the obvious such as Rice are well made too, but there's not so much of it that it comes across in any way as preachy (unlike Michael Moore's stuff).

 

[camouflage]

Spike Lee decided to make this film: possibly, just possibly, the fact that he's black is only one of a number of factors which made it an interesting subject for him.

Probably not, he probably just made the film because he heard lots of black people got a rough deal and he wanted to associate himself with their cause because he is teh voice of Black America.

 

[Pigeon]

This doesn't mean I thought this film would be about race... the whole Katrina thing had an obvious racial element to it (as do all things Amerikkka related) but it wasn't a forgone conclusion on my part that the film was about the US governments hatred of black Americans specifically. I only mentioned 'black' because that's what Spike "the twat" Lee usually sells himself as, and therefore he tries to attach himself to anything where a black American has something to say (even if they're talking about the wather).

So...you didn't have a forgone conclusion that the film would be about race though you did have a forgone conclusion that Spike Lee would "sell himself" as black.

 

[Pigeon]

Probably not, he probably just made the film because he heard lots of black people got a rough deal and he wanted to associate himself with their cause, because he is teh voice of Black America don't ya know.

Contemporary artist seeks to highlight contemporary injustice, shock horror.

 

[camouflage]

So...you didn't have a forgone conclusion that the film would be about race though you did have a forgone conclusion that Spike Lee would "sell himself" as black.

No, my forgone conclusion is that Spike Lee is a twat. Do please try to pay attention.

 

[Reno]

Probably not, he probably just made the film because he heard lots of black people got a rough deal and he wanted to associate himself with their cause because he is teh voice of Black America.

Would you just confirm if you have or haven't seen any of the documentary ?

 

[Pigeon]

No, my forgone conclusion is that Spike Lee is a twat.

Strangely, I'm rapidly reaching a similar conclusion with regard to your good self.

Toodle pip.

 

[camouflage]

Contemporary artist seeks to highlight contemporary injustice, shock horror.

Yeah, I know, it's a bloody outrage, people like that, twats I mean, trying to highlight things. Shouldn't be allowed, only non-twats should get to make television programmes.

 

[camouflage]

Strangely, I'm rapidly reaching a similar conclusion with regard to your good self.

Toodle pip.

this is acceptable to me, as I would not like to be held in high regard by a Spike Lee enjoyer. *shivers*

 

[camouflage]

Would you just confirm if you have or haven't seen any of the documentary ?

*sigh*.

no, I haven't seen the documentary, I wuz just making a scene and throwin a few insults around coz I remember being annoyed by something Spike Lee related once, and decided I don't like him.

Please carry on your conversation related to any qualities that interested you in this latest example of Lees work.

 

[chazegee]

Jungle fevers good.

 

[Reno]

*sigh*.

no, I haven't seen the documentary, I wuz just making a scene and throwin a few insults around coz I remember being annoyed by something Spike Lee related once, and decide I don't like him.

Please carry on your conversation related to any qualities that interested you in this latest example of Lees work.

Fuck back off to troll world then.

 

[Groucho]

Fuck back off to troll world then.

I've never met foreigner but he aint half ugly.

 

[camouflage]

Fuck back off to troll world then.

I've never been to troll world, what are you on about?

 

[Treacle Toes]

My point exactly, just because some like him or appreciate his work doesn't mean his view points are valid. Just because some disagree that Spike Lee is a twat, doesn't mean he's not. Obviously he is a twat, but for the sake of argument an'at...

ermmmmmmmmm I think you'll find that this thread hasn't been about how great we all think Mr Lee is, we were however saying that we are enjoying his documentary so far......Of course his points are valid, don't be so ridiculous....You don't have to like the guy or anything to accept his 'right' to express himself.....you don't like him, fine, don't watch his stuff, simple.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Probably not, he probably just made the film because he heard lots of black people got a rough deal and he wanted to associate himself with their cause because he is teh voice of Black America.

He is one of the voices of 'Black' America....mate, seriously stop hating and get over it.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Please carry on your conversation related to any qualities that interested you in this latest example of Lees work.

I can see this is not one of your best days....if only you'd thought this through a bit more....

It's not a script that Spike wrote himself....it a report of a real thing, not something he invented.....Katrina really happened!
Who would you have prefered direct this documentary? Does it really matter?

 

[clandestino]

part two's just finished.

stunning.

 

[Maltin]

I don't believe that "irritating whine" was heard once.

He was heard interviewing some of the subjects. More often in the first half than the second.

I thought it was excellent and certain things that happened just leave you amazed and shocked.

 

[Treacle Toes]

part two's just finished.

stunning.

Absolutely!!!! I could watch it all over again.

 

[Treacle Toes]

He was heard interviewing some of the subjects. More often in the first half than the second.

I thought it was excellent and certain things that happened just leave you amazed and shocked.

He has done a good job...if you can say that seeing as though it was really the people, storys and situation that really made this documentary.

 

[Dhimmi]

yeah the whole thing in one go would be a repeat I'd welcome.

 

[pk]

I'm amazed Bush is still alive... The cunt.

 

[Pigeon]

MASSIVE props to that guy who walked up to the security cordon and told Cheney, clear as a bell, to go fuck himself. Twice.

 

[Dr. Furface]

MASSIVE props to that guy who walked up to the security cordon and told Cheney, clear as a bell, to go fuck himself. Twice.

Yeah I liked that bit too!

Overall, the two parts were both excellent. I can't say that I learnt much that I didn't already know - although the bit at the end where they showed the high tech Dutch levee systems compared to the pathetic ones they had/have in New Orleans was a real eye-opener - but as a document of the devastation, the (unnecessary) suffering and the hopelessly inadequate response by the US Govt, it was well worth watching.

 

[saucisson]

very good documentary given time to get lots of perspectives on it. caught second part but missed first (darn) hopefully bbc4 will show first part again.

 

[Grandma Death]

I would reallyappreciate it if anyone has a copy that they could lend me plleeeasse!

I will pay all postage costs and promise to return it!

 

[lighterthief]

I would reallyappreciate it if anyone has a copy that they could lend me plleeeasse!

I will pay all postage costs and promise to return it!

If no luck I am sure it will be repeated, if not it will come out on DVD.

 

[Part 2]

On Demonoid:

http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/464223/2325666/?rel=1166836143

Once mine is downloaded i could do a copy or two.