When is an invasion an invasion?

[FridgeMagnet]

Posts relating to topic ONLY please.

 

[editor]

Go hang your c**t on a hook, as was once famously nearly said before.

Don't say it again please.

 

[bluestreak]

oh to be a mod right now....

 

[Lock&Light]

Don't say it again please.

I won't, if no-one else says worse.

 

[moono]

Bluestreak;

oh to be a mod right now....

Lambretta or Vespa, that is the question.

 

[Aldebaran]

L&L, are you Dutch? I ask because you remind me of a Dutch poster I saw on an other website. Someone as interesting and contributing as you are here.

On topic:

An invasion if ground troops enter the sovereign territory of an other nation with the aim to conquer it. At this point it is not so very clear if Israel has such aims (although I suspect that in the back of their minds there is inevitably a dream of realizing lasting territorial expansion right up to the Litani)
Nevertheless *any* military incursion of a state on the territory of an other state constitutes a clear violation of its sovereignty (automatically holds a declaration of war). You could ask the BBC why they never seem to report much on any of these Israeli violations until one occurs they simply can't ignore.

salaam.

 

[TAE]

I don't understand what the IDF are doing. They say they can't stop the rockets by air power alone, that they need to go into Lebanon to eliminate the problem, then they say that rockets are being fired from deep inside Lebanon, yet they have no intention of sending ground troops deep into Lebanon. WTF?

 

[big footed fred]

On the point of the the e-mail - after some thought I think that the BBC are playing word games. It seems they wish to only use the word 'invasion' when it actually becomes an 'occupation'.

If Lebanonese troops or Hezbollah had entered Israel, I suspect the BBC would not be calling it an "incursion" and neither would the Israeli government. The territory would be "sovereign" and well, im sure you can imagine the rest of it for yourselves.....

I saw the BBC news in a pub tonight and it seemed pretty anti israeli (or at least their actions).
The footage was showing damage (not the right word - perhaps destruction) caused by shelling and bombing town in the area. I saw vivid shots of old women who could have no ability to attack a kitten having to be carried from the wreck of their homes. Don't think there is any point having a go at the beeb for use of words given they show all of this.

The reporting seemed pretty much fair given that at the same time I saw the remains of hez's rockets in the rubble and weapons in a hospital.

Seemed to be fair and balanced reporting in this case.

 

[moono]

Seemed to be fair and balanced reporting in this case.

'Fair and balanced reporting' does NOT involve attempting to make both sides look as bad as each other. That's the news for Dumpties.

 

[slaar]

Newsnight last night I thought was pretty balanced, if anything pro-Lebanese which is good as they're the ones who are suffering more.

 

[big footed fred]

'Fair and balanced reporting' does NOT involve attempting to make both sides look as bad as each other. That's the news for Dumpties.

Oh I see.
If it's pro arab it's fair and balanced but if it shows that the arabs are fibbing about firing rockets from populated areas it's zionist propaganda.

Thanks for clearing that up - pillock

 

[lostexpectation]

where were the men?

 

[TomUS]

I'd say it's an invasion now. They're going to occupy up to the Litani.

In announcing the expanded operation, Israeli officials said their soldiers were to go as far as the Litani, about 18 miles from the border. But the army later said it had distributed leaflets northeast of the river at villages where Hezbollah was active; the leaflets told people to leave, suggesting that the new offensive could take Israeli soldiers even deeper into Lebanon.

But be careful of the ruins (the real old ones).

a major Israeli operation was under way against suspected guerrilla positions near Baalbek. Baalbek, an ancient city with spectacular Roman ruins, was a former Syrian army headquarters and included the barracks of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards when they trained Hezbollah there in the 1980s.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060801...yqG3SSs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--