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When does a painting become an illustration?

Discussion in 'photography, graphics & art' started by Stanley Edwards, Nov 17, 2017.

  1. Stanley Edwards

    Stanley Edwards 1967 Maserati Mistral.

    I am drifting away from something. Becoming more precise, or 'literal'. People like it, I don't.

    May post pictorial examples another time. My main question is; when is a painting a painting?

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    Oh! It is Friday evening. I may be a little drunk and stoned.
     
  2. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    A painting is a painting because it's made with paint while an illustration is an image in a book.
     
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  3. Poot

    Poot Everyone's a superhero, everyone's a Captain Kirk

    I always thought that an illustration is to illustrate a thing. Am I wrong? Can an illustration stand alone?
     
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  4. 8ball

    8ball I am Spasticus

    You’re an artist asking this question on a forum mostly composed of non-artists.

    I’d say the distinction lies in intent, but like I implied, I’m not an artist.
     
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  5. Stanley Edwards

    Stanley Edwards 1967 Maserati Mistral.

    Perhaps I should widen the spectrum a little - illustrative?

    Many paintings are about a story. An abstract story often, but it is a story.
     
  6. Stanley Edwards

    Stanley Edwards 1967 Maserati Mistral.

    You probably are an artist. I will argue we are all artists/crazy people living in a crazy place with rules abating our artistic instinct. We are all mad. We are all artists.
     
  7. 8ball

    8ball I am Spasticus

    Well, I do believe everyone is ‘crearive’, but a lot of people I know will argue they are not.
     
  8. Stanley Edwards

    Stanley Edwards 1967 Maserati Mistral.

    Many people want to believe they are not different.

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    I'm off to find healthy food before it gets too late. Shall return.
     
  9. Puddy_Tat

    Puddy_Tat it's all a load of baubles

    to me (and i don't really do artistic) an illustration is something that goes with text to illustrate something the text is talking about.

    a painting (or photograph or whatever) stands on its own but could have a brief bit of text to explain what it is or what it represents.
     
  10. planetgeli

    planetgeli There's no future in England's dreaming

    Maybe. So long as we define 'artist' as all sorts of things beyond the ability to paint or draw. Coz I assure you I can't draw for shit.
     
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  11. Stanley Edwards

    Stanley Edwards 1967 Maserati Mistral.

    Perhaps if it is presented as a painting, it is supposed to be viewed as a painting even if it tells a story, describes an event... whatever. If it is in a book with accompanying words, it is undoubtedly an illustration even if it was a painting painted by an artist.
     
  12. mrs quoad

    mrs quoad usage breakfast sausage breakfast sa

    Is it a painting of a horse?
     
  13. Stanley Edwards

    Stanley Edwards 1967 Maserati Mistral.

    Could be. If the words fit.
     
  14. Stanley Edwards

    Stanley Edwards 1967 Maserati Mistral.

    William Blake's Illustrations of the Book of Job - Wikipedia

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    Illustrations of the Book of Job primarily refers to a series of twenty-two engraved prints (published 1826) by Blake illustrating the biblical Book of Job. It also refers to two earlier sets of watercolours by Blake on the same subject (1806 and 1821).

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    So, the watercolours are paintings, but the 'prints' are illustrations?

    Possibly.
     
  15. mrs quoad

    mrs quoad usage breakfast sausage breakfast sa

    Fit what?
     
  16. bubblesmcgrath

    bubblesmcgrath Well-Known Member


    .....artists are not "all mad"...
    :confused:
     
  17. Stanley Edwards

    Stanley Edwards 1967 Maserati Mistral.

    Everybody is mad. All of us. We just operate on differing levels.
     
  18. Stanley Edwards

    Stanley Edwards 1967 Maserati Mistral.

    The words.
     
  19. bubblesmcgrath

    bubblesmcgrath Well-Known Member

    bullshit.
     
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  20. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    they mostly are, to be fair.
     
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  21. bubblesmcgrath

    bubblesmcgrath Well-Known Member

    Stereotypical nonsense. They are no more mad than any other group of workers...bar postal workers... possibly...:D
     
  22. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

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  23. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

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  24. bubblesmcgrath

    bubblesmcgrath Well-Known Member

    As you quote Thomas Szasz...maybe you could look at his book The Myth of Mental Illness...
    He proposes an argument against the tendency of psychiatrists to label people who are "disabled by living" as mentally ill....
    Nowhere does he describe artists as "mad"....
     
  25. littleseb

    littleseb littleseb

    A lot of the ones I know are the biggest squares. Or very boring. Or both.
     
  26. bubblesmcgrath

    bubblesmcgrath Well-Known Member

    I'm sure the same could be levelled at many groups.

    10 Careers With High Rates of Depression

    Top 11 Professions with Highest Suicide Rates

    "The highest rate of depression (16.2 percent) was found among bus drivers. The lowest (6.9 percent) was found among those in "amusement and recreation services," a broadly defined group that includes the sports, fitness, and performing-arts industries."

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    The Industries With the Highest Rates of Depression
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    Stress is a factor...the insecurity of work....low income....lots of issues can lead to mental strain and illness. ... and yes...artists very often dont have a dependable job and steady income and some may well have mental health problems. But as you can see, so do many other workers....unfortunately.
     
  27. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    depression is not insanity
    stress is not insanity
     
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  28. bubblesmcgrath

    bubblesmcgrath Well-Known Member

    Well...i'm glad you realise that because you agreed with Stan earlier that artists were mad...
    You're the only one equating it with "insanity"....
     
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  29. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    yeh. you're falling down here because of your inability to tell the difference between "we are all mad" and "they are mostly mad"
     
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  30. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    I am 500 times more creative when I am hypomanic and I have seen this effect in many others.
     
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