When did you last physically go inna shop and buy music?
- Thread starter Herbsman.
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Why are mp3s any more transient than a CD (which you profess to hate)?
toblerone3
Grrrrr
i'm like this. also, i really love some cd covers so am stubbornly luddite-ish about having all my music on mp3s as my brother keeps hassling me to do.
maybe i'll get with the programme but for now, i like owning my music.
I recorded nearly all of my vinyl records onto MP3 last year. Took a long time. And then while my flat was being decorated somebody got into my flat via the scaffolding and nicked my laptop.
My vinyl records remain have not got the heart to transfer them onto MP3s again.
But I don't need cos I still have my 1210s 
cybertect
It's grim up north (London)
toblerone3
Grrrrr
Might just be experience of having my laptop nicked and the thieves not bothering with the CDs and vinyl. But also what about the business of having to transfer MP3s to new devices and storage facilities every 12 to 18 months.
What a palava!!
There is going to be one time soon where MP3s get binned. CDs don't need to be transferred.
toblerone3
Grrrrr
Moral: keep regular backups of your computer data
I did but they nicked the back up as well.
make CDs of your mp3s? Sorry about the laptop, but an unfortunate personal incident doesn't invalidate an entire format.
i've got 1000s of vinyl records, 1000s of CDs and tens of 1000s of mp3s. Each have their plus and minus points. I still firmly believe that vinyl sounds better, but it's tricky to listen to on the bus... I use downloading either to obtain stuff I couldn't find (or afford) elsewhere, or to try out new stuff I might then go on to buy.
And I still don't get your reference to communism - you seem to have a really weird understanding of the term if you think it means 'free stuff'.
cybertect
It's grim up north (London)
I probably should have mentioned that back ups should be stored separately from the device(s) they're backing up for precisely this kind of reason.
Er, quite.
Mind you, plenty of people seem to think that Open Source software = Communism
Fez909
toilet expert
really? wonder why they decided to keep the one in Cambridgewhatever the reason, i'm just glad they did!
I remember reading about this on here. Apparently HMV bought the chain and re-opened the only stores which made a profit; and there were only eight of them. Presumably Cambridge was one.
DeadManWalking
Active Member
There's one in Edinburgh as well. HMV and Virgin are ok if you want Games or mobile phones.
toblerone3
Grrrrr
I was using the term communism very loosely and was fully aware of doing so. I have a politics degree. But the way that music has gone from a highly prized commodity manufactured, packacked and retailed for profit into something that is often given away free (to promote, market, built a buzz effect) is a massive change. And its happened (largely) in the past ten years.
I would be curious to read a proper Marxist analysis of the way that the music and IT industries operate. I don't know of one that exists but perhaps somebody here does.
Perhaps I should know better than to be loose about political terminology on Urban. Perhaps I was trolling a bit.
As for the musical format question. I am sure that one day I will find a way of juggling the different formats for different puposes as you seem to have done. I don't think I'm a Luddite just a bit weary of being exploited by the brutal capitalistic music and its multiple formats.
I just wanna listen to my records/CDs/MP3s/Whatevers with my friends...
just a bit weary of being exploited by the brutal capitalistic music and its multiple formats.
You're tired of being exploited and yet you have a problem with mp3s, which are endlessly available for no money at all?
Sorry, but I think your 'position' on this is feeble-minded nonsense you're making up as you go along.
toblerone3
Grrrrr
Sorry I didn't realise you had to have a "position" before one posted on Urban.
I'm just exploring my thoughts and there are contradictions in my thoughts a couple of which seem to be music downloads and listening to music online (YouTube et al) seems in some ways to be virtually free but at the same time we are being touted lots of technology to listen to music in different formats, and process between different formats much of which seems to be a rip-off.
Where's the "feeble-minded nonsense"?
toblerone3
Grrrrr
In pretty much every post
You are wrong.
CDs are a handy transportation medium for mp3's. No DRM either so you can shift them to different formats quickly...
toblerone3
Grrrrr
Let's agree to disagree then.
("communism" snigger
from each according to his ability
cybertect
It's grim up north (London)
So, er, how different is watching a YouTube video from, say, listening to the music on the radio?
As for 'downloads', are you talking about legal downloads like the iTunes Music Store and Amazon, or illegal p2p? If the latter, then the record biz can hardly be accused of encouraging it.
CDs have been around since the early 1980s, a pretty good innings as a mainstream format by historical standards. Compared to the prices we were paying in the 80s and 90s, I reckon they're finally cheaper in real terms than vinyl ever was.
I don't know who's [officially] encouraging you to transfer existing music from one medium to another for money, but again, it's not something that's encouraged by the record labels (Apple? to rip CDs onto your iPod?).
How is that a rip-off?
Either way, you pay your money and make your choice - or not.
I don't understand your confusion.
toblerone3
Grrrrr
Its different because you can save to favourites and then listen to it again and again on demand. Its almost like a halfway house between owning something and just hearing it played on the radio. But then you think how long is that You Tube clip going to be up there for and a lot of them go taken down for copyright infringement when Google took over.
toblerone3
Grrrrr
You asked a question I answered it. Admittedly I didn't then go on to some meta critique of life, the music industry and everything on the back of it but its interesting innit.
Slightly similar thing with BBC iPlayer where you can watch for free for 30 days but you pay to download. Grazing is free, but there is a charge for making hay.
Slightly similar thing with BBC iPlayer where you can watch for free for 30 days but you pay to download. Grazing is free, but there is a charge for making hay.
ATOMIC SUPLEX
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Charity shops for old records. Apart from that it's all Amazon these days.
But that's not true is it? there's many ways of getting mp3s and tv programmes entirely free.
Your arguments just don't stack up, I'm afraid
cybertect
It's grim up north (London)
I was referring to this bit.
It rather undermines your own argument.
If the stuff's up there illegally, then you might well compare watching YouTube to home taping a radio show with a cassette recorder when I was a kid.
It rather undermines your own argument.
If the stuff's up there illegally, then you might well compare watching YouTube to home taping a radio show with a cassette recorder when I was a kid.
toblerone3
Grrrrr
You apply something which I said specifically about BBC iPlayer as an interesting case and take my 'Grazing is free, but you pay to make hay' line and use that to imply that I'm making general point about the cost of downloading MP3s and TV programmes. And saying it defeats my argument.
You are putting words in my mouth.
As I explained before I don't actually have a 'position'. Your position appears to be everything I say is rubbish. Why are you doing that instead of putting up some points of your own?
toblerone3
Grrrrr
It doesn't undermine my arguement at all. And You Tube is not like taping a radio show with a cassette recorded at all. 1. You can get really good sound quality (with the right equipment) 2. You get video as well (although the quality is ropey) 3. You are not recording anything, just linking into something which is already posted on the net.
toblerone3
Grrrrr
As I said its a kind of halfway house between ownership and listening to something once on the radio.
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