When did old rave and hardcore become 'old school'

[Dan U]

Anyone remember?

I was going out in 91/92 (not 88 i know) and listening to a lot of the tunes you might hear in an old school set now.

But at what point did it suddenly become 'old skool'?

I can recall early house rooms at parties back then but not when the main room stuff became nostalgic.

 

[sam/phallocrat]

I'm a bit too young to answer a question like that authoritatively (I've always known it as old school though, so that would mean 99/2000 onwards). Maybe have a look at some old raindance flyers?

 

[bluestreak]

Well, because for many people who joined the dance music scene in the last decade (i.e. anyone under 30 or so, give or take a few) music from the period 88-92 might as well all be lumped into one big pot.

How many people outside music geekery bother differentiating between the various permutations of ancient genres?

 

[Dan U]

Well, because for many people who joined the dance music scene in the last decade (i.e. anyone under 30 or so, give or take a few) music from the period 88-92 might as well all be lumped into one big pot.

How many people outside music geekery bother differentiating between the various permutations of ancient genres?

True enough. Music in 88 was somewhat different to 92!

I can't remember when the tunes from 92 suddenly became old school thats all. You don't get many 95/96 Prog House nights

Sam - I heard a Skream 'old school garage' mix recently. He said 'this tune is from the old school, way back in 2002' !!! 2002!

 

[Spandex]

I got this mix album in 1998:
Essential Old Skool Hardcore
So it was being called 'Old Skool' by then.

 

[fractionMan]

I remember going to raves in 94 that would have an 'old school' set somewhere, with music from 91-92 in it.

 

[zenie]

10 years or older equals old skool IMO

Although Old Skool used to mean the 88-92 and hardcore type stuff I think it's moved on now.

 

[bouncer_the_dog]

I see stuff inthe rack described as 'old school' that was released in the late 90's! And wasn't even rave - it was just 'old'

 

[skyscraper101]

I got this mix album in 1998:
Essential Old Skool Hardcore
So it was being called 'Old Skool' by then.

I also have a CD album from 1998 which was one of the first 'Back To The Old School' branded compilations.

So I'd go with 1998 too.

There's not enough house circa 1992-1996 for my liking around though

 

[ddraig]

imo in relation to the genre labelled 'oldschool' i.e. jungle, hardcore and house it will be pre 93/94. i remember going to innersense before that at the lazerdrome and i think what passed for oldschool then was basically house.

but obviously as mentioned, scenes these days will say something even less than 5 years ago is oldskool, maybe it is for the kiddies dem!

what mashes my brain up is that i got tunes as old (or older!) as some people who say they're into 'oldschool' these days!

 

[Dan U]

<3 innersense @ lazerdrome

 

[Dask]

In terms of 'ardcore becoming "old school"

I would of said 1994 when Jungle appeared on the scene.

 

[sam/phallocrat]

Sam - I heard a Skream 'old school garage' mix recently. He said 'this tune is from the old school, way back in 2002' !!! 2002!

02 for old school garage is pushing it, I'd say 97-2000, depending on whether it's 4/4 or 2-step. Maybe he was referring to an old school tune in dubstep terms (as its fanbase is quite young).

Personally speaking I'd say anything up to 85 is old school for me, and I'm 23. For me old school the genre is 92-95 breakbeat hardcore.

 

[sam/phallocrat]

In terms of 'ardcore becoming "old school"

I would of said 1994 when Jungle appeared on the scene.

Yeah but Red Alert and Mike Slammer were making what I'd call 'old school' for quite a while after that . . .

 

[top_biller]

Yeah but Red Alert and Mike Slammer were making what I'd call 'old school' for quite a while after that . . .

Not really past 1994, they went firmly into happy hardcore around then, in fact they were one of the biggest exponents of the "happy" hardcore sound that became popular around 1992/1993.

Fucking love Red Alert and Mike Slammer though. Apart from "The Ride" which is crap.

In fact, around that time I started using the term "old school hardcore" to differentiate between that 1992 sound and the 1994 stuff that Slipmatt, Dougal, Vibes and Wishdokta started making. When the kick drum came in under the breaks. SMD 1 was the first I can remember.

 

[sam/phallocrat]

Both Sing it Loud/Music's So wonderful and SMD 1 were 93 I believe. The former being vastly to superior to the latter, obviously.

 

[top_biller]

Sing it loud (isn't there a bit of a tougher remix of this?)


SMD1


Both great, but I have to go with the latter.

 

[Firky]

Anything before 1993 IMO.

 

[foo]

my ole dj mate says 92/3 for old skool too - this says 94 but i'd definitely call that drum beat old skool/hardcore

but then, we all know how great i am at this....

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AQNXGQ-4MjA&feature=related


def old skool..

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YJr8-xZo40I&feature=related

that' s ^^ me n unix dancing that is

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=T0JBczxCw7E

whistle crew lol.

that seemed really slow..

 

[foo]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4923McYLA6U

jump up jump up

i had a little tickle last night for the first time in months so i'm enjoying this..

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=C1y4z1-0e-I&feature=related

not a particularly fave tune of mine but look at the old warehouse rave, how makeshift, scruffy and ruff n ready it all was convoys - luv it

 

[boskysquelch]

93 93 93 93

....that was when the stooopid frkkrs started giving shizzle names for anything that didn't have one.

Make Some Fucking Noise.

When I first heard the term Jungle I literally lol'd and told the bloke in the shop to fkk oooooorff.


Oi yoda Bumble foo...http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MSIIkMCKe7w


* I went to my wedding singing this with mates... http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gXCN1DhHTZA

 

[foo]

fack off with yer yoda bosky

 

[fractionMan]

This use on youtube is just awesome http://www.youtube.com/user/HardcoreNoise

 

[fractionMan]

It was around this time that things began to change, I thought it was at the same time, but it's well before SMD1


Force Mass Motion - Panic 1992.

 

[foo]

got yer hands in the air like you just don't care fraction man

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TciI8KAgG1A&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WOrZjaL0mwg&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gXCN1DhHTZA&feature=related

i'll stop now.

i can feel that acid tingle in my jaw..lol.

 

[Callie]

i guess it was some time after the divide between drum and bass and jungle - what we call doesnt fit into either of those categories BUT iirc that about the time the phrase started to appear?

as to when that actually happened....

 

[fractionMan]

DJs unite - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xjIS3b_AK04&feature=related
edge 1 -

 

[boskysquelch]

i'll stop now.

hard innit.

I can remember sneaking up the stairs to find my bwoi, as a crawler, getting out my SL2 records and offering them up to his ears to "listen" to'em....

Both he & his sister used to insist having them played for musical chairs at their b'day parties....they always lost coz they were too busy prancing about!!

 

[boskysquelch]

as to when that actually happened....

la la la...can't hear you!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yDGQMwHjiO8


boing boing boing boing boing....

 

[fractionMan]

I think the cutoff was when Suburban base, Moving shadow and Reinforced went all boring and jungle.