When did GARAGE completely lose its' origin?

[ohmyliver]

Ahh, that dripping and dropping and dripping and dropping tears track... thanks for that... I'd forgotten about that track.

Didn't UK Gararge come out of the fact that Garage House was played in the back room of jungle raves in the mid 90s?... hense the speeding up of the beats, and the use of jungle like bass sounds... out of which speed garage emmerged... which then mutated in to uk garage... out of which both grime and dubstep were born...

 

[JTG]

*starts thread on 'hardcore'*

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

*starts thread on 'hardcore'*

Or 'electro.'

 

[JTG]

Or 'electro.'

That one still gets me, I don't even know what the newer stuff is tbh

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

That one still gets me, I don't even know what the newer stuff is tbh

Last year it seemed to be the latest term for the sort cheesy chart dance the likes of judge jules play.

 

[perplexis]

You evil scumbag bastard.

That's me

 

[DJWrongspeed]

mid 90s, Girls FM, played really lite funky house that was how i remember garage and then by '98 people were makin this other stuff which was quite hard&fast syncopated house style, all stripped down, still with that 'rave intensity' a term that is hard to understand now. Even when 187 Lockdown came alongthe UK scene was in it's infancy. The really good stuff was when the style became really really tight and speaker poppin. songs like are the sacharine tip of the iceberg really, still good even today.

The darker weirder stuff c.01'02 are what really inspired the grime/dubstep scene.

It's important to note that like Grime , UK Garage nights were seriously curtailed by the police, the live scene was effectively shut down.

 

[ohmyliver]

The darker weirder stuff c.01'02 are what really inspired the grime/dubstep scene.

It's important to note that like Grime , UK Garage nights were seriously curtailed by the police, the live scene was effectively shut down.

I know(ish) a girl who made her name photographing uk garage people circa 97-99, it was quite a dark scene underneath all those girly vocals etc...

to be fair with grime, a lot of the actions of the crews involved didn't help things either. Like the ill fated old blue last grime night which ended after one night after a rival crew came down and started a fist fight with ruff sqwad after the gig, or straight out of befnal which closed down on it's third night after someone brought a gun down the 333. I don't know what Jammer did with his time after all the grime nights closed down.

 

[sam/phallocrat]

The darker weirder stuff c.01'02 are what really inspired the grime/dubstep scene.

I saw Oris Jaw and EL-B play a b2b set of that stuff a couple of years ago at a dubstep night. Wicket set, although strangely enough most of the crown weren't really feeling it

 

[seeformiles]

I dunno what the fuck any of that shit is supposed to be but garage music is lo-fi bluesy guitar stuff with dead simple melodies and harmonies and lots of nice fuzzy guitar tones. So named because it's the kind if music you make with your mates in your garage when you've only just learned to play your instruments. This has been the case since the early 60's. If you need an adjective to describe that stuff linked to above, try 'utter gash' or variations thereupon.

A similar argument could be made for the term "R&B"

 

[killer b]

A similar argument could be made for the term "R&B"

not really. there's a fairly clear progression between r&b (50's style) and r&b (modern), whereas there's no real connection between garage rock & modern garage, other than the name...

 

[seeformiles]

not really. there's a fairly clear progression between r&b (50's style) and r&b (modern), whereas there's no real connection between garage rock & modern garage, other than the name...

Well I'm buggered if I can see it!

 

[killer b]

are you a simpleton, or are you just saying 'i dont like that modern r&b rubbish - its just noise' in a roundabout way?

 

[seeformiles]

I just can't see the progression myself - if that makes me a simpleton so be it!

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

i've been doing much head scratching thinking about this. i can certainly remember going to squat/free parties back in the mid 90's with house and garage rooms, that were very much in keeping with the Paradise Garage sounds from NYC. we used to moan about it (garage) a bit sometimes , there was someone called Kiwi who played with Tony Walton, who was very good and i'm sure that someone called Para also played some garage music but i could be wrong.

and then the speed/2 step/Uk garage thing seemed to come up from the jungle raves taking place and effectively became shorthand for anything that was pitched lower than 140bpm. like dj wrongspeed notes, as the jungle/d&b mutated into the darkness of renegade hardware and the like, the uk garage scene also got darker, but i have to say that i enjoyed the latter rather more than the former over time. of late, i've been hearing a few bits and pieces that are reminiscent of the original flavours, but all of these things evolve and grow and become something different over time imo. its good to know where they came from but not much point moaning about where they're going now...

 

[ska invita]

This thread reminded me of this - anyone remember:
Wiley - Wot Do You Call It? (Garage?)

 

[DJWrongspeed]

and then the speed/2 step/Uk garage thing seemed to come up from the jungle raves taking place and effectively became shorthand for anything that was pitched lower than 140bpm. like dj wrongspeed notes, as the jungle/d&b mutated into the darkness of renegade hardware and the like, the uk garage scene also got darker,

the garage scene was very much about the people not into the d'n'b scene, i remember some producers playing me their stuff in '97-98 miles away from d'n'b really, it was more glam 4/4 but really bangin. Remember it was called 'Speed Garge' by Pete Tong et al

Luckily Grime had a more auspcious record made about it by Wiley above ^^^