what's the point of veganism, if one can be vegetarian?
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baldrick
hmmmmm
maya said:
the situation does sound pretty bad
i suppose it depends on how much you want to be involved and what intervention you'd be prepared to doi.e. buying food for him if he can't afford his own? inviting him round for (healthy, nutritious vegan food) or threatening him with the dr unless he sorts himself out.
as worrying as it is, he's the one responsible for the situation and there's a limit to what you can or should do, especially if he's refusing help
What about pregnant women or women who are breast feeding, is there a degree of irresponsibility in being a vegan if you're pregnant?
I know you can be a veggie whilst being pregnant or breast feeding (and that it is arguably better for mother and baby), is it any different if you're a vegan? Should mums put their child first over ethical and dietary beleifs?
If my dear lady was a vegan or a veggie whilst she was pregnant I can't say I would be that bothered as long as steps were taking to ensure both mother and baby were still getting what they need. However I wouldn't make my children veggie or vegans, that's their choice.
I know you can be a veggie whilst being pregnant or breast feeding (and that it is arguably better for mother and baby), is it any different if you're a vegan? Should mums put their child first over ethical and dietary beleifs?
If my dear lady was a vegan or a veggie whilst she was pregnant I can't say I would be that bothered as long as steps were taking to ensure both mother and baby were still getting what they need. However I wouldn't make my children veggie or vegans, that's their choice.
maya
timewasting fool (in every universe)
There's a specific brand of soy-milk based ice cream which are sold in health stores (i think), and which taste really yummy- The chocolate/strawberry versions, anyway... The "vanilla" version just taste too much of soya to be nice...zenie said:Well, I like swedish glace dunno about that other shite
Soya yogurts :vomit:
D'oh on me for not remember the brand! (The packaging is kind of octagonal[sp?]/many-cornered plastic boxes)
mr steev
magic thought wizard
maya said:I wasn't intending to be rude/snappy at you or directing anything personally against you, I was just trying to clarify the OP and to get the thread back on that track as I'm genuinely very worried for my friend and his malnutrition (who possibly also stems from a form of male anorexia
Anorexia is the same for both males and females.
It has little to do with veganism and more to do with body image/psychological issues. Why did he go vegan? If it is so that he doesn't put on weight then that is worrying, if for anyother reason the chances are he just has a bad diet rather than any pschological problem (my mates brother is anorexic
)You can be vegan and perfectly healthy. The idea that all vegans are pale and weak is as much bollocks as that all meat-eaters are obese burger muchers!
cesare said:
That would be more to do with having a wholefood diet rather than being vegan. The two don't necessarily go together.
Personally, as a veggie, I avoid Chinese and Thai food. IME a lot of thier dishes will use fish and oyster sauce... which the majority of Chinese and Thai resturaunts seem to think are vegetarian. At least with Indian food you generally only need to be carefull about the ghee
zenie said:
I just read up on a vegan diet and pregnancy and it seems to fine* (of course you have to eat more than average but that goes with out saying). No kid of mine is ever going to have junk food, unless it wants a slap. I can feel myself being quite draconian about that.
"YOU WANT A FUCKING HAPPY MEAL???"
Herbsman, you're free to much plants
Herbsman.
Nah Lotion, Pet, Nor Powder.
maya said:Can you get enough nutrition from such a limited diet as the vegan one seems to be? I mean, how can you enjoy food when you ban yourself from eating almost anything there is?
All the vegans I've met/known() have been so pale and thin and look so tired and malnutritioned you could breathe on them and they'd wobble...
Have I missed something?
You ain't met many vegans then.
Check this lot of muscly fuckers out - fitter and stronger than most of the meat eaters I know http://www.veganfitness.net/
And me, I've been vegan for about a year, the same time as I've been a bike courier for. I'm no skinnier and no less fit than I was when I ate meat and all that.
Getting enough nutrition is a piece of piss when you're cooking for yourself. Anyone who says it's hard is either used to convenience food, or just wasn't clued up enough or properly prepared.
http://www.veganhealth.org/sh <--- nuff info about nutrition there
Providing you eat a wide variety of fresh fruit & veg, grains (brown rice and wholemeal bread are important), nuts, seeds and pulses then you'll be fine.
B12 supplement is important of course, as it can't be obtained from plants (this is apparently because the vegetables we eat are 'too clean' and also because modern farming methods have killed off bacteria that would deposit B12 into the soil/veg - but who knows.) Since your liver stores years' worth of B12 I don't feel the need to take it every day, just every now and then with a meal.
The only difficult part is finding decent vegan takeaway food when you're out and about. Baguette du Monde has made that a bit easier though and of course Indian restaurants have plenty of chickpea, vegetable and lentil dishes if you want to eat in. If you're lucky there might be a felafel bar nearby (none near me though)
This next bit is irrelevant but... I don't see the point of not eating something if you actually want to eat it, I think if you want to eat cheese or milk or whatever then you shouldn't deny yourself just so you can still be 'vegan' or 'vegetarain' for some sort of moral or ethical reason. For the most part meat and egg just grosses me out, I just prefer plants. There ain't much of any other reason in it for me, just a strong preference.
Herbsman.
Nah Lotion, Pet, Nor Powder.
The Urban75 guide to the vegan kitchenmaya said:
Tell him to stop being a lazy twat and start cooking, print off the above thread and get them foodstuffs in his kitchen.
as for recipes there are loads on these blogs, and I'm sure he'd be able to find vegan recipe books in his local library. There are loads on amazon.com too.
in fact there are loads of vegan recipes on the urban75 recipe wiki! http://wikihost.org/wikis/urban75recipes/wiki/urban75_recipes
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
I was vegan for a while and didn't lose an ounce of weight - still a fat bloody bugger no matter what I eat.
Now I'm just vegetarian because of a lack of willpower, simple as that.
And still a fat dobber.
Now I'm just vegetarian because of a lack of willpower, simple as that.
And still a fat dobber.
_angel_ said:
I swear veggie curries actually taste better than meat curries. I am not a massive fan of chinese and thai food so I don't really find that a problem. What is a problem is motorway service stations, when I was bussing up and down the country last week I was at some motorway service station and I had a choice between, KFC, Burger King and some pre-packed sarnies. I went for sarnies with crisps and starved.
Found out the other night Fruli isn't veggie either but I am not bothered about that. Stll going to drink it
I am amazed at how many products aren't veggie friendly. Quite chuffed with my becoming a veggie... don't know if I can hold out over Christmas!
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=3696039
There appears to be evidence in the US study of a coincidence of vegetarianism and anorexia, which the profs say could indicate that vegetarianism and veganism are used to hide an eating disorder.
