whats the maddest BNP policy?

[durruti02]

Ok here is his post in full. Still seems to be a gormless twat to me, despite your lamentable attempt to save him from himself.

Of course the issue is their fucking policies. The policy is fascism

No the BNPs policies are not better than the rests policies.

Or did I selectively quote his entire post?

got caught out there didn't you .. at least you admitted it though

policies .. ok look at their CC election manifesto .. little to actively disagree with .. the only stand outs are the anti gypsy bit

 

[butchersapron]

yes thats all pretty nasty .. but where do get most of the above from? doesn't appear to be BNP policies at all .. where are you getting these from?

just a couple of examples re defining fascism .. war is a key one .. yet BNP policy appears to be very isolationist not expansionist .. another is state control yet BNP appear to be in favour of decentrailisation NOT centralisation

Yes, it's clear that a lot of people haven't actually bothered to look at their manifiesto. Regardless of whether they'll evee be able to imlement it (they won't), it does mark a pretty decisive break with traditional british fascism. Griffin is rather proud of ithe Rebuilding British Democracy document. Update your maps people.

 

[Greenfish]

it has always struck me how cold the racist is. almost sociopathic. it's like, through a series of biasis, they have no idea of how racism has affected the world. they just don't sense the damage done. i would not be surprised if that the far right believers had strong strains of psychopathy running through them. i find it hard to visualise an empathatic racist.

 

[durruti02]

it has always struck me how cold the racist is. almost sociopathic. it's like, through a series of biasis, they have no idea of how racism has affected the world. they just don't sense the damage done. i would not be surprised if that the far right believers had strong strains of psychopathy running through them. i find it hard to visualise an empathatic racist.

yes, but you know something else?? what most people also do not understand is how much of the left appears to have entirely lacked empathy as what most people regard how their 'traditional way of life' has been destroyed, communities bulldozed in regneration schemes and motorway building, communities devastated as industries have shut down and communities changed culturally by migration ..

yes we will have fundamentally radically differrent interpretations of the cause and effect of this,from the BNP, but it is the lefts real and seeming indifferrence to this process that is critical to the basis of support for the far right now

 

[Greenfish]

i could not agree with you more on a lot of what you say durrit.

 

[likesfish]

What's wrong with the first one? I suppose you think guns are just for the rich?

no but conscription a pretty ropey defense policy on an island and assualt rifles in the hands of the average Englishman who didn't ask for it or want it recipe for disaster

 

[derf]

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

edited will repost later

 

[derf]

As above as I am contacting someone about a news story before re posting.

Has Derf managed a national news story to help make the BNP look like cunts? - I hope so.

BNP fuck up again = I hope you will read all about it

 

[butchersapron]

No that stuff is months old and been done to bloody death.

 

[derf]

No that stuff is months old and been done to bloody death.

New one

 

[ViolentPanda]

Hard as glass clear as steel

You're not entering into the spirit of this, are you?

That should read "Hard as Jena glass clear as Krup steel", shouldn't it?

 

[ViolentPanda]

What would happen if you were not panicking just actually happy to be on a boat? Does that qualify as 'boat happy', and can you get shot for it?

If you're happy enough to appear even remotely hysterical then it's the bullet rather than the slap, I'm afraid.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Please expand. I want to watch you dig your own grave. Tell us how the BNPs policies are better than most of the rests policies.

I suspect that by "better" he means "designed to be populist".

Tell us why the issue with the BNP is not their policies.

Or admit that you are a gormless twat who has put his foot in his mouth big time.

I thought you didn't like abuse, dylans?

 

[ViolentPanda]

So did Mussolini.

For all of about the first two years of his dictatorship.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I beg to differ: their policy is racism. Brown & co are heading down the path to fascism - 'One nation under CCTV', right?

No, what Brown and co (and Cameron and Co) could be said to be heading for is authoritarianism, whereas fascism is totalitarian. Some of the policies of the BNP can be labelled "fascist" because they are totalitarian as well as being "racist".

 

[Citizen66]

yes thats all pretty nasty .. but where do get most of the above from? doesn't appear to be BNP policies at all .. where are you getting these from?

Um, Hitler didn't exactly outlay all his plans before he took power and I guess that's the best place to look for any idea of what it might be like under the BNP. Or are our fascists the fluffy variety? Seeing that their political fliers were stuffed to the brim with bullshit then it's safe to say that their manifesto might not be painting the full picture either.

 

[LLETSA]

A racial definition of Britishness. Enforced by state legislation.

Protectionism, isolationism and extreme nationalism.

The destruction of all opposition, political opponents, unions, independent journalism etc

State control of all economic, political and social life.

Socially enforced public morality. Imrisonment or "treatment" for gay people, drug users and other "degenerate" lifestyles. Outlawing of abortion.
Reintroduction of the death penalty.

Conscription

War

All very nasty.

None of which they'd get to carry out even if they by some miracle ended up in a majority government. (Although as other have pointed out, these are not their policies; the point is that they wouldn't get to carry out most of their real policies either.)

It isn't about their policies, but about the ongoing effect of their being elevated to the role of the radical opposition.

 

[JHE]

None of which they'd get to carry out even if they by some miracle ended up in a majority government.

It isn't about their policies, but about the ongoing effect of their being elevated to the role of the radical opposition.

Dylans did not list BNP policies. He just listed his own notions of what a 'Fascist' party is about.

Where BNP candidates have done relatively well, it has been in part because the BNP has dropped the more extreme stuff (like compulsory repatriation) left over from the Fascist past of some of the party stalwarts. To that extent, their policies DO matter.

They also express views many of us here agree with - opposition to involvement in wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, for example - in ways that ordinary decent kind patriotic people can respect too. (It's quite a contrast with the al-Mooo stuff.)

 

[LLETSA]

Dylans did not list BNP policies. He just listed his own notions of what a 'Fascist' party is about.

They also express views many of us here agree with - opposition to involvement in wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, for example - in ways that ordinary decent kind patriotic people can respect too. (It's quite a contrast with the al-Mooo stuff.)

I know-see my edit.

Some people seem to missing the fact that fascism isn't a policy.

 

[Citizen66]

Aye. It's an ideology. The BNP just have 'policies' to paint it all as something else to get their feet under the table.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Dylans did not list BNP policies. He just listed his own notions of what a 'Fascist' party is about.

Where BNP candidates have done relatively well, it has been in part because the BNP has dropped the more extreme stuff (like compulsory repatriation) left over from the Fascist past of some of the party stalwarts. To that extent, their policies DO matter.

They also express views many of us here agree with - opposition to involvement in wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, for example - in ways that ordinary decent kind patriotic people can respect too. (It's quite a contrast with the al-Mooo stuff.)

Fucking hell, what a load of apologist bollocks - "the Fascist past of some of the party stalwarts". A few cosmetic tweaks to their manifesto has vanquished the fascist nature of the organisation? How many investigations and exposés will it take to convince you that the party leadership are fully ideologically committed to the fascist cause but have learned to adopt a more PR friendly way of selling it? And of course the party is still infested with all manner of criminal thugs at every level.

As for the policies, they're fucking horrible. Not least the genocidal commitment to a racially pure Britain in which non whites are driven out through hateful propaganda and apartheid discrimination in all areas of life.

 

[trevhagl]

they were leafleting down the market today, one of em giving out leaflets while another shouted loudly "aye it's our country innit!" before walking around a stall with plants on holding the leaflet high and looking a bit lost (the idea musta been to make it look as if he was just an ordinary member of the public who agreed with the party)

 

[el-ahrairah]

So are the BNP not racist anymore?

 

[trevhagl]

Um, Hitler didn't exactly outlay all his plans before he took power and I guess that's the best place to look for any idea of what it might be like under the BNP. Or are our fascists the fluffy variety? Seeing that their political fliers were stuffed to the brim with bullshit then it's safe to say that their manifesto might not be painting the full picture either.

Just replace "jews" with "asians"

 

[Silver_Fox]

.................

British National Party (BNP) chairman Nick Griffin has defended a party leaflet which says that black Britons and Asian Britons "do not exist".

The BNP's "Language and Concepts Discipline Manual" says the term used should be "racial foreigners". In a BBC interview, Mr Griffin said to call such people British was a sort of "bloodless genocide" because it denied indigenous people their own identity.

So British black and asian people don't exist?

Raise the inheritance tax threshold to £1 million

Party of the workers?

Deport two million immigrants

Use electronically tagged chain gangs to build coastal defences

Re-introduce grammar schools

Re-introduce corporal punishment in schools

Re-introduce Christian assemblies

Introduce a system of workfare for the unemployed

Victorian workhouses?

Abolish anti-discrimination laws

The BNP has also denounced homosexuality as “form of behavioural deviancy” and “not a valid lifestyle choice”. Griffin claims the BNP speaks for “the majority of the population” who, he says, believe“homosexuality is wrong” and that it “needs to be pushed humanely but firmly back into the closet”. Griffin warns that if gays continue to “press their aims further” there will be an “almighty backlash” which will result in the imprisonment of all homosexuals.

Does this manifesto seems so different from the BNPs? Would it have given any idea of what the organisation who wrote it would actually do if they took power?

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapBook/25Points.html

 

[frogwoman]

got a bnp leaflet in the post today, it didn't seem to say anything much tbh - not really that racist, went on about immigration but most of it was taken up with pictures of blonde haired blue eyed "british familys"

 

[Maurice Picarda]

^ sic?

 

[TAE]

That should read "Hard as Jena glass clear as Krup steel", shouldn't it?

Was that a racist joke about germans? Schlawiner!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Was that a racist joke about germans? Schlawiner!

Nope, a joke about Nazi rhetoric, actually!

 

[Citizen66]

Just replace "jews" with "asians"

I'm quite annoyed with otherwise inteligent posters on here giving the BNP the benefit of the democracy doubt.

"Where does it say all these nasty things in their policies, though?"

Ah! yeah. They're ok nowadays because their website says so.