Whats the best way to deal with the BNP?

[Joe Reilly]

NO NO AND NO.

I would like to see the IWCA grow. I think there are some really positive things about the IWCA but that doesnt mean they are beyond criticism.

Ho! HO! HOOO!

I seem to remember Attica saying something similar when challenged on exactly that point.

What a weasel.

 

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Other: Run a series of ads with Page 3 girls saying how BNP boys are just average frustrated chumps with small dicks and no money and that's why all their girl friends are fat and have smelly teeth.

 

[audiotech]

We've had some early success with a friend in another org asking Andrew Brons one of the questions on this BBC prog.

Interesting part two with Brons, trying to hide the BNP's true aim.

Apparently (6.30 minutes in), he's 'in favour of free speech for anyone, apart from those inciting violence'. Worryingly, he came across as reasonable.

As someone who witnessed violence first hand from members of the organisation he was chair of, I find his comments risible to say the least.

If the BNP gained power, it would be the BNP's updated, legalised sanctioned, 'political soldiers', who would be using any violence against workers organisations. Who, will of course, be charged with 'inciting violence', whilst organising against a BNP regime inspired increased level of exploitation.

 

[LLETSA]

If the BNP gained power, it would be the BNP's updated, legalised sanctioned, 'political soldiers', who would be using any violence against workers organisations. Who, will of course, be charged with 'inciting violence', whilst organising against a BNP regime inspired increased level of exploitation.

Actually, it probably wouldn't turn out much like this re-run of the 1930s at all. Short of some kind of partial collapse of society, if they were to try setting up a paramilitary wing it would be the end of them.

Come into the real world and stop trying to do these historical re-enactments.

 

[audiotech]

Actually, it probably wouldn't turn out much like this re-run of the 1930s at all. Short of some kind of partial collapse of society, if they were to try setting up a paramilitary wing it would be the end of them.

Come into the real world and stop trying to do these historical re-enactments.

It was a hypothetical re-enactment, worse case scenario.

 

[tbaldwin]

Ho! HO! HOOO!

I seem to remember Attica saying something similar when challenged on exactly that point.

What a weasel.

Joe one of your main problems is your ability to respect or understand anything but uncritical support.
Its a problem you the IWCA and most Left groups seem to share.

I think it would be an interesting and good thing for groups such as the IWCA and the Socialist party to grow.....That doesnt mean either have my undying love Joe it just means id like to see both groups stirring up a bit more political debate and action.
Is that really too difficult for you to understand?

 

[Kid_Eternity]

It's not part of the answer at all.

That's it then is it - discussion over unless i show that over the ten years that the BNP has grown i've perosnally turned back time and made it not happen? Grow up.

I've answered your questions about what the aim is, how it's going to work. Apart from snide remarks of political snobbery I haven't seen any suggestion as to what you're doing.

Tell me, what is it you're doing to fight these fuckers?

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Interesting part two with Brons, trying to hide the BNP's true aim.

Apparently (6.30 minutes in), he's 'in favour of free speech for anyone, apart from those inciting violence'. Worryingly, he came across as reasonable.

As someone who witnessed violence first hand from members of the organisation he was chair of, I find his comments risible to say the least.

If the BNP gained power, it would be the BNP's updated, legalised sanctioned, 'political soldiers', who would be using any violence against workers organisations. Who, will of course, be charged with 'inciting violence', whilst organising against a BNP regime inspired increased level of exploitation.

Yep they're playing the media game with some skill now, hence the need to debunk their 'manifesto' and party aims. Also, to try and get these bloody journalists to actually ask some pertinent questions on camera of these people.

 

[goosegrease]

Not had time to read all the posts so apols if I repeat prev points made.
We all here know what the BNP is, it's history as an organisation and the backgrounds of its prominent members are of the far right, facists. The fact that Red Watch regulary include updated pics of people at anti BNP demos exposes the shadowy side of this organisation.
They will, where they can whip up racial tensions in an area until they tip over into violence and then blame the presence of ethnic minorities for the trouble. Remember Oldham.
As an organisation we should still not let them move.
Any BNP public event or meeting should be met with physical resistance. People in the communities in and around these events should be included and where possible local anti BNP groups set up.
The example of Heanor, in Derbyshire is a good one. Here we have a small predominantly white town with a level of BNP support and activity. An anti BNP group made up of local residents, not shouty students is growing in support there. I'm sure there are similar examples elsewhere. We need to remember that in every community there are people who don't want the BNP there. It's interesting how the media have not asked the opinions of black or gay people in the places where the BNP have support. These are naturual allies of any anti BNP organisation.
I also think that there has to a be a clear line drawn between The BNP and people who vote/express support for them on the basis of the BNP public image. Passive supporters of the BNP can be won over by engaging with them on a class basis, I don't need to list all the issues on the minds of working class people here. As well as this it isn't hard to expose the BNP for what they are.
How will they protect your job? Will they fight on the local council for a re newed program of social housing? Where where they when your local hospital was facing closure? Did you know they don't allow non whites into their party at all, including those born and bread here? ect. ect.
Negative in fighting between various left groups isn't helping either, the secterians can be spotted a mile off in any community based campaign and only alienate themselves.